01-03-2003 07:04									#31
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Yeah, but overriding everything else, it's always fun to rile up the Lithuanians.

It's far more fun to rile the Russian ultranationalists, like Serb. I mean, nothing beats his incomprehensible ranting when he gets mad.

	01-03-2003 07:07									#32
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Oh no, I think Tass knows too much! No wonder he pops up in Suomithreadis to spy on us and look for our weaknesses!

Yeah, Russians would outnumber us, but I wouldn't still call it a sure thing for either way. Would be one hell of a rumble though. I know if we were able to advance fast and Russians wouldn't be able to counter fast enough, because big army is also harder to adjust to new situations if they occur.. I think we would need to think outside the box and hit into their weak spots.. see how they react.. so if we were able to advance fast, they'd break the rules and nuke us anyway
I don't know, if they would get their fighting moral high, they'd be great enemy to face. I believe we could be able to get the strategistically important places, at least for a while. It's tough to defend big country like Russia. But there are lots of Russians, they have experience and lots of guns.. If we attacked Russia, and it took too long and we wouldn't be able to capitalize on the momentum we had.. I think after that we wouldn't be able to win.
Also if RUssians wanted to take us all at the same time, they'd need to destroy us fast, maybe they would get us for a while, but at the end they wouldn't be able to keep us under their leash. I don't know.. just guessing.

VetLegion, you have Swede wife?
Those boats, so have you looked at the map? How important they'd be against us? They would all go into those ships and sail that 1 mile between us? Come on!

	01-03-2003 07:08									#33
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Re: Boris's comment

While their annexations were techincally forced, in a purely literal sense. They were an necessity on the part of the Soviet government to protect themselves from internal aggression within the Baltics, particularly Lithuania. Moreover, an indemnity should be paid for the years of Soviet military protection from outside invasion.

(Now you see what I mean Boris? It gets no better than this )

	01-03-2003 07:11									#34
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"We're invading you for our good. Oh, and now you must pay us for our protecting you from invasion."

	01-03-2003 07:14									#35
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quote: VetLegion, you have Swede wife?

No, but I wouldnt mind a swedish girl

quote: Those boats, so have you looked at the map? How important they'd be against us? They would all go into those ships and sail that 1 mile between us? Come on!

you obviousely dont know a thing. These ships are very great new sthealthy ships. They are practicly invisible. They can park one or two outside Helsinki and bomb your igloos right there. War over in two days.

	01-03-2003 07:16									#36
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monkspider, not exactly the same situation, but this reminds me of mafia.. 'pay us money, and we make sure no one messes with you and your store won't burn down'.

	01-03-2003 07:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov "We're invading you for our good. Oh, and now you must pay us for our protecting you from invasion."

Yep, classic Orwellian reasoning.
Lithuianian-baiting is really one of the most enjoyable hobbies an Apolytoner can engage in.

	01-03-2003 07:18									#38
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VetLegion, no, we are almost able to see Sweden from Helsinki with our own eyes. So what if they bomb Helsinki. It needs some work anyway. You can't win war like that.. they could do some damage though, but I can here them all screaming 'jag vill inte gå!' when they would have to start invading

	01-03-2003 07:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It's far more fun to rile the Russian ultranationalists, like Serb. I mean, nothing beats his incomprehensible ranting when he gets mad.

	01-03-2003 07:26									#40
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Oh, don't role your eyes serby-pooh. You know it's true.

	01-03-2003 07:27									#41
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Damn Saras, you guys just can't get a break.

Tell you what, buy some of those old Sov nukes that are on the market, and then send them back as payment.

BABOOOM!

Free parking.

	01-03-2003 07:38									#42
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Well I hope war like that never happens. We dont need no stinkin Finn refugees and asylum seekers here in south europe thank you

	01-03-2003 07:43									#43
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VetLegion,
So, did you watch Savior?

	01-03-2003 07:57									#44
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Well I hope war like that never happens. We dont need no stinkin Finn refugees and asylum seekers here in south europe thank you

Are you kidding? We'll take a few of the hot blond girls on this side of the pond.

	01-03-2003 08:00									#45
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*Starts trying on different wigs*

	01-03-2003 08:08									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It's far more fun to rile the Russian ultranationalists, like Serb. I mean, nothing beats his incomprehensible ranting when he gets mad.

Faulty perception here, Boris. Serb is not ultranationalist. He is not even nationalist.

I hope I didn't inadvertently blurt out your secret, Serb.

	01-03-2003 10:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Oh, don't role your eyes serby-pooh. You know it's true.

unfortunately
...but who cares?

This thread lacks of Russian view on issue, so...

	01-03-2003 11:18									#48
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I guess some people here just dint't read this article. It's not about Russian claims to Baltic States. It's about claims of Baltic States to Russian Federation.
From this article:

quote: The author of the document, deputy Viktor Alksnis treats this perspective rather skeptically. “It’s clear that I don’t expect that Russia would seek for restitution of any property from the Baltic republics. However, as long as Lithuania officially claims that Russia must “compensate the damage caused by the Soviet occupation” and appeals to the world community in connection with this claim, we should have counter claims ready at hand.” The problem has gone too far that Lithuania even adopted a law “On compensation of damage caused by the Soviet occupation” and a special referendum was held in connection with the problem. On December 4, Estonia’s Foreign Minister declared that Tallinn would also set up a special commission to estimate the rate of a similar “damage.” Latvia may also join the claims of its neighbors; the three Baltic republics plan to make a joint statement and bring an action to the sum of 55-60 billion dollars against Russia.

If you consider Russian Federation is successor of Soviet Union and consider that Russian Federatrion should pay to you for "Soviet occupation", FINE, but if RF is successor of SU then you should return property which belonged to SU to its successor- Russian Federation.
First of all you should return your capital- Vilnus. It's Soviet territory, the territory which SU gave to one of it's Socialistic Republic- Lithuania. This territory didn't belonged to Lithuania which was annexed by SU in 1940.
Are you ready to return your capital?
Also you should return big part of your territory which Soviet Union absolutely legaly bought from Germany (in 1940 iirc) and gave to one of its Baltic Socialistic republics. (I had nice newspapper article about territories which SU added to three annexed Baltic States, but unfortunately lost it).
How about Soviet property which worth billions and which was left there?
Are ready to return it to successor of Soviet Union?
How about a compensation of damage which SS legions formed in Baltic States did to Soviet Union?

So the main idea of this article is- "if guys want to make us pay, because you concider us as successor of Soviet Union, then be ready to return you own debts"

	01-03-2003 11:25									#49
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Vagabond,

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	01-03-2003 11:27									#50
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I agree that the Baltic states, historically and culturally, are part of the natural boundaries of Russia and that the current Baltic governments are illegitimate usurpers.

	01-03-2003 11:53									#51
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree that the Baltic states, historically and culturally, are part of the natural boundaries of Russia and that the current Baltic governments are illegitimate usurpers.

I already stated this line of reasoning with my claims that Greece is legally Turkey's westernmost province and the Athens government is illegitimate and rebel.

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree that the Baltic states, historically and culturally, are part of the natural boundaries of Russia and that the current Baltic governments are illegitimate usurpers.

They are historically Swedish. As is Russia.


(the Visby is a very cool ship... )

	01-03-2003 13:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I already stated this line of reasoning with my claims that Greece is legally Turkey's westernmost province and the Athens government is illegitimate and rebel.

	01-03-2003 15:42									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture They are historically Swedish.

Good. Could you please annex them?
P l e a s e...

	01-03-2003 18:47									#55
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But don't even think about annexing us. We couldn't live with the fact that the level of our hockey just dropped x 100 . But we could take those Wendys Burgers, whopper meal is good mmmm....

	01-03-2003 21:22									#56
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree that the Baltic states, historically and culturally, are part of the natural boundaries of Russia and that the current Baltic governments are illegitimate usurpers.

Lithuanian baiting!!!