03-03-2003 18:56									#31
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Where are my much deserved "Andy all your points are so interesting" credits?

Or is it a habit of you to start convo and then just turn away?

	03-03-2003 18:58									#32
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Oh, and could you please tell us WHERE all those minorities live?

Kaszubski is in northern Poland, just between Pommerania and Mazovia.

Sorbia is basically identical with Lusatia.

Basques live in Northern Spain and South Western France.

Go on. Especially Furlan and Aromanian are weird.

	03-03-2003 18:59									#33
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and what is ladin?

	03-03-2003 19:03									#34
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Ladin, is a jewish language of sorts, IIRC.

	03-03-2003 19:23									#35
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Oh, one of these again!

So is #4 Cypriot Turkish...?

	03-03-2003 19:30									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Ladin, is a jewish language of sorts, IIRC.

Right. Ladino is a Spanish Jewish (Sephardic) language. It's the language spoken by Jews who were expelled from Spain to North Africa and the Levant in 1492.

	03-03-2003 20:27									#37
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nah, ladin is rhaetro-romanic language spoken in italy

	03-03-2003 20:48									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf nah, ladin is rhaetro-romanic language spoken in italy

Whew. I had to google but you're right about Ladin, like in Buck's #3. However, the Jewish language that Azazel (and I) confused with Ladin is indeed Ladino, and matches my description. Here's an example of Ladino from about.com:

En komparasion kon las duras sufriensas ke pasaron los reskapados de los kampos de eksterminasion nazistas en Gresia, se puede dizir ke las sufriensas de los olim en el kampo de Kipros no fueron muy grandes, ma despues de anyos de vida en los kampos de konsentrasion, en teribles kondisiones, eyos kerian empesar en una mueva vida en Erets Israel i sus planos eran atrazados agora por unos kuantos mezes.

Edit: And part of a poem from here:

Enpesare a contar
Una valiente estoria
Que olgaresh de atentar
Y tomaresh grande gloria.

Loaresh, bendizeresh
Al Dio alto y enshalshado;
De este mundo savresh
Las cozas que an pasado.

Seash guardados de estorvo
Con toda guestra famia,
Y nunca veash estorvo
Sino todo alegria.

The Dönme in Turkey speak Ladino, as do about a 100,000+ people in Israel.

	04-03-2003 05:21									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Oh, and could you please tell us WHERE all those minorities live?

Furlan - Northwest Italy, also Slovenia and Austria. Centered around the city of Udine.

Ladin - In the southern part of South Tirol, Italy, ie. almost as far north as you can come.

Saterland Frisians- in the far north-west of Germany, between Bremen and the Dutch border. Saterland frisian is spoken only in four tiny villages.

Arumanians- spread out in tiny enclaves throughout the balkans, with populations in Greece (largest), Makedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Albania and southern Romania.

	04-03-2003 05:48									#40
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Is 4 Kurdish?

	04-03-2003 06:03									#41
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No.

	04-03-2003 14:28									#42
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#4 must be gagauz, the langugage of the christian turks of moldova!

	04-03-2003 14:41									#43
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its all greek to me

	04-03-2003 14:44									#44
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oh and Buck, that Karlsson-book is really hard to find on-line, but he's apparently coming out with a new book in april, and it seems to be about the exact same topic? http://www.wwd.se/boknyhet/91-46-20034-7.htm

	04-03-2003 16:13									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf #4 must be gagauz, the langugage of the christian turks of moldova!

Well done, all!

Det Lilla Europa came out in 1992, published by the right-wing thinktank Timbro. Ingmar Karlsson being a pretty typical swedish Social Democrat really probably wanted to publish an updated version without the adverse political baggage. It's also quite a slim volume and could probably do with an expansion.

	04-03-2003 18:31									#46
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A bit late but it sure souded like

1 Polish
2 Estii
4 Turkish
5 Romanian
6 Albanian

	29-03-2003 01:37									#47
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Update: Apparently my dad knows the writer and we bumped into him in the Foreign Ministry library the other day (very useful resource for a politics student!). Apparently Europas Styvbarn is a revised and updated edition of the older book, with over 200% more content. I'm considering buying a copy, or at least bullying my parents into buying one I can later steal.