08-03-2003 15:32									#31
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I am at an impasse.

I would like to add the German V missile, but It would mean getting rid of the Lowe super tank.

Would you all prefer to have the missile or the tank?

Also I am considering what new unit to add.

What unit would you all like to see added?



I am open to suggestions at this point.

	08-03-2003 15:45									#32
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Curt, I think it's time that a WW2 scenario had two British tanks for a change. The other nations have an upgrade to a super tank - why not give the Brits an upgrade to a Comet, Firefly or, if the scenario extends beyond April 45, a Centurion. Also, I wouldn't start the scenario with a Churchill.

	08-03-2003 15:56									#33
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Hmm.....

Perhaps the Sherman could be buildable by the British as well.

And what is that super tank?
The Elephant? That was a tank destroyer IIRC.
Or the Maus? only one and a half were built during the war.

I'd say remove the super tank and that hydroplane and add the V-2 missile and a heavier Japanese tank(Chi-ri).

What about some sort of espionage unit? Saboteur and such. The Brits and the Italians used them a lot.

	08-03-2003 17:02									#34
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It's official, I will add the V2 instead of the Lowe tank.
The V-missiles were used in too great a number to not have in the scenario.

The D024 floatplane I might keep, as there is room for the Chi-ri too.

ANyone got any reference, or has it been made already?

I was initially going to use the Crusader but another post suggested the Churchill.

A Brit tank upgrade is in order.
I could bring in the Comet or Centurion. I like the Centurion, but it is a late war design
Making the Sherman also buildable by the Brits is good idea.

PS
Also the new commando will have many capabilities!

	08-03-2003 22:51									#35
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You mean reference for the Chi-ri tank?


Well...


The heaviest tank used by the japs during the war was the Type 4 Chi-to:

Introduced Year : 1944
Weight : 24 ton
Dimensions: 6.42 x 2.87 x 2.87(h) m
Armor (max) : 75 mm
Speed (max) : 45 km/hr
Engine : Diesel Engine 400 PS/1800 rpm
Armaments : Type 5 75 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7mm x 2
Crew : 5
Production Qty : 6 (2 finished)

Good armor and good fire-power, but too late (sad). Its gun was converted from Bofors 75mm AA and can penetrate the front armor of M4 Sherman from 1,000m distance.

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	08-03-2003 22:54									#36
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The Chi-ri tank i mentioned was only a prototype.

Introduced Year : 1945
Weight : 37 ton
Dimensions: 7.30 x 3.05 x 3.05(h) m
Armor (max) : 75 mm
Speed (max) : 45 km/hr
Engine : Gasoline Engine 550 PS/1500 rpm
Armaments : Type 5 75 mm x 1, Type 1 37 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7 mm x 2
Crew : 5
Production Qty : Prototype only

The last tank that IJA had developed. One prototype was accomplished except for mounting a main gun when WWII was ended. Chi-Ri was planned to mount a 88mm gun, which would be converted from Type 99 88mm AA Gun.

The picture shown has no main gun.

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	08-03-2003 22:57									#37
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There were also rumours of a super heavy tank...


Super-Heavy Tank "O-I"
Introduced Year : -
Weight : 120 ton
Dimensions: 10.0 x 4.2 x 4.0(h) m
Armor (max) : 200 mm
Speed (max) : 25 km/hr
Engine : Gasoline Engine 550 PS/1500 rpm x 2
Armaments : 105 mm Cannon x 1, Type 1 37 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7 mm x 3
Crew : 11

Heavy armored and heavy armed tank. It is said that one prototype was being manufactured when WWII ended. However, according to an engineer concerned with it, it had been completed and was disassembled for dispatching to Manchuria. No photo nor drawing of O-I is known. Above is an imaginary picture.

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	08-03-2003 23:01									#38
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But the heaviest japanese tank of the war actually used was Type 3 Chi-nu. You may want to use that since it would be more historicaly accurate.

Introduced Year : 1944
Weight : 18.8 ton
Dimensions: 5.73 x 2.33 x 2.61(h) m
Armor (max) : 50 mm
Speed (max) : 39 km/hr
Engine : Diesel Engine 240 PS/2000 rpm
Armaments : Type 3 75 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7 mm x 1
Crew : 5
Production Qty : 166

This tank was developed in order to cope with M4 Sherman. Its hull is the same of Chi-He and its gun was converted from Type 90 field gun. Chi-Nu was deployed in Japan proper to prevent expected Allied invasion

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	08-03-2003 23:03									#39
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You may want to visit http://member.nifty.ne.jp/takixxx/tanks.htm

for more info on the Japanese army's equipment.

	08-03-2003 23:39									#40
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Brilliaint stuff, Palaiologos!

I think I will go with the Chi-nu!

The images will be a huge help in making the Japanese Tank upgrade unit!

I am in your debt!

	08-03-2003 23:41									#41
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Here is the latest version of the Units.

I am toying with the idea of giving the British a cheaper and faster UU Battleship?

Would you players want this?

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	08-03-2003 23:48									#42
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I like your (?) new ship units!

	09-03-2003 01:37									#43
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Keep in mind though that the most COMMON Japanese tank was the Chi-Ha.

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	09-03-2003 01:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Keep in mind though that the most COMMON Japanese tank was the Chi-Ha. Visit the site for more details.

Will do!

	09-03-2003 01:41									#45
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Here is the info and a graphic for the type97 Shinhoto Chi-ha:


Type 97-improved Medium Tank "Shinhoto Chi-Ha"
Introduced Year : 1942
Weight : 14.8 ton
Dimensions: 5.52 x 2.33 x 2.38(h) m
Armor (max) : 25 mm
Speed (max) : 38 km/hr
Engine : Diesel Engine 170 PS/2000 rpm
Armaments : Type 1 47 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7 mm x 2
Crew : 4
Production Qty : 2,208 (Including "Chi-Ha")

In order to improve the anti-tank capability of Chi-Ha, a new turret mounting a high-velocity 47mm gun was loaded on Chi-Ha. Shinhoto means 'New Turret' in Japanese. Its first service in action was at Corregidor Island of the Philippines in 1942

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	09-03-2003 01:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse I like your (?) new ship units!

The big ones are all mine.
The submarine, DD and Cruiser are upgraded versions of Nemo classics.

	09-03-2003 01:44									#47
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Palaiologos, In the scenario, would you recommend the Chi-ha being the 'super tank' upgrade for the Japanese?

	09-03-2003 01:59									#48
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Hmm....

The "Shinhoto Chi-ha"(improved version of the original Chi-ha) was the most common tank, so it would have to replace the original jap tank. The original Chi-ha was introduced in 1937, with the upgrade being developed around 1942.

All original Chi-Has were outfited with the new Sinhoto turret after it was developed by the jap scientists. So it was not in a sense a new super tank.

I would say either Chi-nu or Chi-to.

As you can see from the info 166 Chi-Nu were built during the war and only 2 Chi-to. Depends on how historical you want your scenario to be. I mean, how many KoenigsTigers were built during the war?

BTW i found the graphic i posted at the Graphics showcase thread.I think it is from ANZAC but am not too sure.

	09-03-2003 02:11									#49
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Palaiologos, You are a military scholar, a gentleman and a great help!

I will then replace the 'Type 1' with the Chi-ha, and have it upgrade to the Chi-nu.

True the Tiger II was not built in large amounts, but this scenario give you the chance to change that.

The same opportunity is now there with the Chi-nu.

I will get onto making these graphics ASAP!
The Japanese are going to be a blast to play!

	09-03-2003 03:50									#50
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It is true that the Japanese are often overlooked in WW2 scenarios.

I really hope yours proves an excemption.

Following your train of thought for the Tiger II, i then would recomend the Type 4 Chi-To as the heavy tank.
It is just that the Chi-nu is at the "level" of Sherman, while the Chi-to at the "level" of Tiger I.

But i think the Chi-nu would do just fine. Afterall the Japs were not renowed for their armor.

You know there are many ways to make a WW2 scenario interesting. F.e if the Germans take Gibraltar, the Italian fleet could make its appearance in the Atlantic etc. Various "what if" scenarios could materialize.

Hope i helped.

	09-03-2003 04:44									#51
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I am much indebted to your valuable data, Palaiologos!

With your help, I will be able to make this scenario a bit more special than the norm.

Certainly, I am going to restructure the events,
so war progress will have more 'what if' situations!

Thanks again!

	09-03-2003 09:07									#52
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quote: Following your train of thought for the Tiger II, i then would recomend the Type 4 Chi-To as the heavy tank. It is just that the Chi-nu is at the "level" of Sherman, while the Chi-to at the "level" of Tiger I. But i think the Chi-nu would do just fine. Afterall the Japs were not renowed for their armor.

WHAT EVER! I seriously doubt that even the best Japanese tank was a match for an armored car...

	09-03-2003 14:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda WHAT EVER! I seriously doubt that even the best Japanese tank was a match for an armored car...

Hmmm, I don't know about that DV,
I wouldn't fancy my chances against a high-velocity 75mm gun!

I'll take the Type 3 Chi-nu, you can have the armoured car!

	09-03-2003 15:22									#54
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Oh I am sooo exited!!!

And about your Infantry: Graphics are really made well - they are good looking - the only thing I dont like about them is that they are looking forward not to the left or right (just wanted to explain my former comment).
Dont you want to use Multiple Infantry units???

Just one more question: What kind of map will you take? A Gigamap?

	09-03-2003 16:48									#55
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Hi, Cifer Almasy!

I might change the infantry thus;

Germans = Facing East
USA = Facing East
Brits = Facing East
Japan = Facing West
Soviet = Facing West

What do you think?

I am holding back mulit-units for World Wide War Scenario!
I have an idea for an 'Allied task force' and 'Axis Invasion force' unit!

The map is on the standard CIV2 extended world map.

Gigamaps are cool, but cause problems;
Like the 'too many units' and 'too many cities' message cropping up often!

	09-03-2003 17:41									#56
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Yeah! Imho thats a great idea - Soviets and Japanese forcing to the West (looking left) and all the others to the East! Perhaps they should look kinda more "aggressive" as the other Inf units just looked a little as if they had lost the battle yet.

Did I undesrtand rightly, that you are holding back one MORE scen?



Or just WWW Multi-Units? Id really like to see them.

About cities: I guess too many cities shouldnt be a Problem because otherwise you could pehaps build cities !

About units: cant say, yet i have no experiences with the limit.

About the map: I would recommend you another map than the original micropose map - cause this one really is crap!!!!!!!!!! its proportions are TOTALLY wrong and though more space in Europe is usefull its just unrealsitic imho!
I guess I wont change your decision but for such a nice scenario there should be a nice map used!
Here is one Id prefer: Its NOT a gigamap - but a realistic one!

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	09-03-2003 20:16									#57
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Hi, Cifer Almasy!

Yep, glad you like the idea, I might make a few of the units in a 'running' stance, especially the SS and Soviet barrage troops.

About the WWW scenario? (featuring evolving units and rules sets!)
It is one of many sceanrios that are coming!



The limit was a real pain in the ToT version of Dictator, which used a giga map.

The World map I use is heavily upgraded,
And I agree, the standard Microprose Worldmap is crap.

I will give your map a whirl and see what it is like anyway!

	09-03-2003 20:21									#58
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Cifer Almasy, Very nice map indeed!

With your permission, I would love to use this for a future project, would that be OK?

	10-03-2003 00:37									#59
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Cifer Almasy, Very nice map indeed! With your permission, I would love to use this for a future project, would that be OK?

Yeah, i am glad you like that map - though it is NOT my creation!

But i will give you my permission: So be it!

I am anxious (? i took that vocab from the dictionary ) to see your other projects!

PS: In the download section i just found "Dictator II" - is there any part I?

Greetings, Cifer

	10-03-2003 02:21									#60
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Dude, I am assuming you mean ToT Dictator II.

Yes, there was a part one, but it was so crap it has been archived.
ToT Dictator II was a clean-up and improvement over the first.
But I have a new standard for my scenarios and I may do ToT Dictator III in the future.
But so little people have ToT I wonder if it is worth it?

I have many scenarios in the production line.
Things I have lined up are:

Dictator II MGE -90% complete
Dictator Soviet Steel -50% complete
Dictator WWW -45% complete
Dictator Germania -10% complete
Cult Wars -50% complete

I plan to do a 'War on Terror' scenario.
A secret fantasy scenario is underway too.

This summer, I am going to be a busy bee!