12-03-2003 23:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon MoO2 (I can't go back to MoO 1 after MoO 2, too clunky.)

Blasphemy! Upgrade MoO1's graphics and you still have the perfect TBS-in-space game. Gimmie sliders anyday!

Best Strategy Games of all time? The holy trinity:
MoO1
Civ3 (replacing Civ2)
X-Com 1

Honorable mention:
Space Empires 3
MoO2
SMAC/SMAC-X

All-time letdowns: great ideas/poor execution
SE4
CTP2

Still to be decided:
GalCiv
MoO3 (fading fast in my opinion- but lets see the patch before uninstalling)

	14-03-2003 20:59									#32
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This is kind of a biased poll considering the nature of this site . If you're going to lump Civ in with Starcraft (despite their being in two different categories TBS and RTS), I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote for Starcraft. Playing multiplayer on Battle.net was infinitely superior to anything the Civ games could have ever hoped to acheive. IMO, if Civ 3 didn't suck so bad, I might have voted for the Civ series. Civ2:ToT is king of TBS.

Honorable mentions: The next best TBS game ever has to be "Military Madness" aka "Nectaris". First appearing on the Turbo-Grafx 16, Nectaris has the most advanced strategy engine. Instead of just moving units on to tiles, this game has taken into account so many other factors, it's sick (in a good way).

Civ 3 has been out for a while, and in addition to the many patches and even an add-on (PTW), the game is still buggy. I'm not surprised at the results. This is in fact a Civ-fan-boy site.

	14-03-2003 22:05									#33
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I still like SMAC best. Civ 3 might be a contender if they had wonder movies. SMAC is the only game where I don't cancel the wonder movies.

	15-03-2003 12:22									#34
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you have masters of magic ..... i love that game !!! can i get it off you ??

	15-03-2003 18:51									#35
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quote: What sort of infidels consider real time click skill tests to be strategy? Ban them!

*prepares to get banned*

I vote Rise of Rome the best RTS as well as best strategy

Civ2 as the best TBS

PS: just because a game is slower and has a larger techtree, doesn't mean it's more strategic.
Strategy becomes infinitely more challenging when it's in realtime.
Even chess is better with a clock

	15-03-2003 20:50									#36
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quote: Strategy becomes infinitely more challenging when it's in realtime. Even chess is better with a clock

Yup... a lot of RTS bashers are usually people that suck at them

	18-03-2003 01:59									#37
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It's CivII
The hundreds of scens are giving this game the edge it needs to be listed before CivIII. The scens are great and you can replay any area of history (industrial, medieval,...)
But HoI follows shortly. A really great game you need to give it a try
And sometime I even play MoM.

	24-03-2003 22:58									#38
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:Hmmm: How come nobody voted for Empire Earth?! I was really wondering between that and Starcraft.....probably that people just dont know about that awsome game. Pitty.


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	24-03-2003 23:06									#39
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Empire Earth is not as good as Starcraft... not by far. It's good, but not great.

	24-03-2003 23:17									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Empire Earth is not as good as Starcraft... not by far. It's good, but not great.

I know, all Empire earth needs is more difference between races....which would make the battles even more complicated than they are now....but I could live with that!


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	25-03-2003 19:25									#41
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Empire Earth would be great if the scale of the maps was larger, and units had realistic ranges and such. You can be almost invincible if you can organize a large effective force of every type of unit and keep them together. Empire Earth is more of a clicker's game, IMO... although I'm not one of those... "blah blah RTS is all about clicking fast."

	26-03-2003 20:39									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Enriquillo Even chess is better with a clock

Agree...

...when you play with a clock, the other player, plays his/her turn faster, so you sooner gets done with that boring game

	26-03-2003 21:05									#43
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X-Com: UFO Defense. Best game of its time... if I could get it to run on my machine, I'd be playing it now.

	26-03-2003 21:07									#44
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I never played X-COM... I heard it was quite awesome.

	26-03-2003 21:09									#45
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Yeah, my Win-XP machine eats all three X-Coms when I try to run them, and Interceptor was just too buggy anyhow.

Anyone know of a way to get these to run at a reasonable speed on XP machines? I'd *LOVE* to play these again.

	27-03-2003 16:48									#46
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Given you put this poll in the Civ 3 forum I think Civ 3 will win

	27-03-2003 17:36									#47
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Not necessarily... there are lots of people who hate Civ 3 who still post here

	02-04-2003 05:25									#48
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Have you guys seen what's been going on in the GalCiv forums for the past couple of days?

It seems like everybody who's bought it is raving about how good it is. An instant classic.

	05-04-2003 19:37									#49
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My vote for best pure-strategy game would go to the Combat Mission series from Battlefront.com, but I am a grognard.
Still love Civ though.
Empire Earth is a lot of fun, but it has some problems. First would be the irritating "we're under attack!" sound you hear every time a battle happens, and second would be the incredible cheating of AI opponents in multiplayer. The AI doesn't seem to need to gather any resources to produce an empire, and you find that their pumpkin patches have been scarcely touched at the end of a long game.
Damn, I am sick of game designers substituting intelligent AI with cheating AI.

	06-04-2003 03:41									#50
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Actually, as click fests go, C&C Generals is pretty good.

But I voted civ III

	07-04-2003 17:35									#51
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I just got Empire Earth Gold Edition for real cheap at Best Buy (open item, I got a friend who will go open the games up so I can buy 'em cheap later) It was one that I would actually consider paying full price for if I didn't already have the game.

As far as the annoying "we're under attack" you can turn the volume down, because there is flashing swords on the mini map.

The Art of Conquest expansion that comes with the Gold Edition remedies the different civs problem, allowing you bonuses for different tribes, as well as the option to make your own tribes based on bonuses.

Yes, the AI cheats BIG TIME, if you remember all the people complaining about the Civ3 AI after it came out, it's kinda like that, only 8 times worse.

The best remedy for this that I've found so far, is playing 2v2 Random Maps, Giving yourself a computer ally. (If you just watch your ally you can see how little resources his villiagers gather btw.) The computer ally will protect you while you get established, and once you have a good economy and can afford an army, get one.

The reason I don't think too many people bought into this game was the fact that you can't cheat in the campaigns. They are mind-numbing, and some newbie players don't want to put the necessary effort into the game. The lack of cheats is something I admire in Empire Earth tho, it forces you to become good at the game, or suck indeffinitely. I personally can't get very far in any of the campaigns, (furthest was the fourth Greek one, although I beat the learning ones lol) and have really wanted to cheat out the extra grand worth of gold so I could complete my army, but the challenge does keep me coming back.

Some people argue that this game is a clickfest, and they are right, however; the best remedy for this in Random Map games is the F3 button (pause). With the amount of cheating the AI does, the least you could do is pause the game so your pikemen are targeting their horses and so on. I've found that I always win battles with single-type unit computer armies. Against humans, they're working at close to the same speed as you, they can't instantly change their attacks like the computer can, so you're evenly matched and it honestly goes to the better player every time.

Sorry for the longest post on this Thread, but I didn't see any other threads with Empire Earth anywhere in it. My suggestion (and it's a strong one) is to Buy Empire Earth Gold.