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JohnT is offline JohnT

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Here is the thing about equity mutual funds: Including survivorship bias, over 95% of all managed funds underperform the market once you account for all fees and taxes. In other words, 95% of the Professional stock pickers out there do worse than the market as a whole. If you include all the funds that have failed and are no longer included in fund comparison charts, you will find that over 99% of all funds have actually underperformed the market.

If these people can't do it, and they have careers and six-figure salaries riding on their ability to pick stocks, why would I even think I have a chance to succeed here? Better to buy a really cheap index fund - that way you are guaranteed to do better than 95% of the professionals.

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There are these news events "stock" games on the internet. I remember a real good one, but can't find it now.

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Edit after DP: I hate it when I do that.

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Microsoft (dont own yet)
Intel (own some)
Co-Cola (dont own yet)
Phones- wireless and AT&T not the baby bells (own some) I got burnt bad, and they're risky, but if you pick the right ones now it could be worth a small investment)
Walmart (dont own)
Parcels of land near my house

Saras is offline Saras
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Lithuanian private equity

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  Old Post 13-03-2003 00:53
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Sounds like an excellent con, Saras. How do I get in on the action?

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Tired of ads?

There's a steep entry fee

DuncanK is offline DuncanK
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From what I see. K-mart doesn't stand a chance.

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No, they don't as a national retailer. There might still be a chance that they can get their S*** together and reorg as a regional chain... but that's a slim chance at best.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sten Sture

I am so smart I own a bunch of Kmart at $0.96.


Hey Sten you scare me!!
I think I'am a client of yours so I should be concerned of your ability as a stock picker...

(Says the proud owener of some Worldcom stock )

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There's a steep entry fee


Where do I send the check?

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I'd shove it all in Ericsson (B), currently at 4.93 SEK (go to http://www.xe.net/ucc/full.shtml to convert to a currency of your choice)...

"Don't put all the eggs in the same basket" - never heard of it!

Carolus

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Sells for 4.98 SEK already... Ca-shing!

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$500,000 worth of Ericksson at $.57 a share? That's almost a million shares! You're rich!

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The last deal yesterday settled at 5.60 SEK. Approximately 12% up since Thursday afternoon. Compound this to an annual return and I think the banks' interest rates are left behind.

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Damn! Should 'a jumped in while the jumpin' in was good!

Compounded annually (including only actively trading days, discounting weekends and holidays) it comes to 2,940%!

Watch out Roland Stenish: The New Economy is back with a vengeance!!!!!!

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I just had a thought while posting in the Foundation thread. As I mentioned before, the movements of the stock market as a whole are based more on psychology than on rational analysis of the numbers. This is because most stock market booms and busts are formed when millions of inexperienced stock owners are hyped into a frenzy about their acquisitions (the 20's, the late-50s/early-60s and the "Nifty Fifty", the 18 year period from 1982-2000), only to be scared off by the millions during the eventual bust to follow.

Which is precisely the opposite of what we all believe we do. We think we sell high and buy low... but we don't, because we hate to depart with a winner almost as much as we hate to associate ourselves with a loser. Right now, it's not cool to buy K-mart, or Enron, or Lucent, or Ericksson, or any one of the myriad bottom feeders of todays market.

It's classic - all of a sudden everybody thinks they're a professional. A few people trade tulips in Amsterdam and then, all of a sudden, half of Europe thinks that they are tulip experts.

In short:

How to tell when a market is overvalued: When millions of inexperienced investors are bragging about thier retirement accounts.

How to tell when it is undervalued, or at least, fairly valued: When everybody tells you to stay away.

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I think it has to go deeper than that. Expectations could be low, but the market could still fall. You have to have correct timing.

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"You have to have correct timing."

No, you don't. Not for my plan, at least.

The key is rebalancing. The point of rebalancing is to make sure your portfolio maintains the same balance of assets throughout the life of the portfolio. Over time the percentages you assign to various asset classes will change (as you grow older, financially you grow more risk averse), but the concept will remain the same.

If you look at my plan, you will note that I have percentages (relative to the portfolio as a whole) which tells me how I want my money invested. For example, I have 60% of the portfolio in stocks, and 40% in bonds. Over the next year, lets say stock funds gain by 5% over bond funds so that now my portfolio is unbalanced to 65% to 35%.

To rebalance my portfolio, I would have to sell the 5% gain in stocks and reinvest that money into bonds to re-achieve the 60/40 balance that I want in the first place.

Note that rebalancing makes me buy low and sell high. It doesn't allow me to foolishly hang onto stocks/funds that have over-appreciated, nor do I avoid purchasing in the market when it is down.

A portfolio that was 60/40 at the beginning of 1982 would've been 79/21 in 2000 if it had not been rebalanced in all that time. Almost 80% of your retirement money tied up into stocks at the height of a bull frenzy... tsk, tsk, tsk.

Otoh, had you been rebalancing you would've continually been cashing in on stock appreciations (for almost 18 years!), while continually buying into a bond market that is likely poised to be the financial leader in the upcoming years. You would've been only invested in 60% stocks when the bottom fell out, and, after the fall, you would've then put yourself into a major stock buying frenzy precisely at a time when everybody else is selling for pennies what you had been selling them for dollars.

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One thing I didn't mention is that you have to rebalance within the asset types themselves. I have 4 stock funds, each assigned a specific percentage of the portfolio, and those will have to be rebalanced amongst themselves as well. Therefore my 50/30/10/10 split must always be rebalanced back to 50/30/10/10 (or until I decide to change the allocations, which shouldn't happen very often).`

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The New Economy is right around the corner. Killing Saddam is the first step.

No matter what you think of the war, the uncertainty has been killing the worldwide recovery. Investors aren't going to factor in the uncertainty of the occupation, so the occupation isn't going to hurt markets.

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Ted,

Shouldn't we call it the Newest Economy?

 
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