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we could have the first 1000 years
than in a while, the second 1000 years
always making it a fwe turns away
and always trying to be objective (about a country would need to oked)
otherwise, great idea
Jon Miller
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adaMada
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"The Iron" Stadium, Ubergorsk, Apolytonia (C3DG)
Mar 2000
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
We have several members who are very adamantly opposed to this. They are concerned that Trip may be doing this as an agent of Vox or Roleplay.
Not saying we won't agree to it eventually, their just not going to be easy sells. I haven't known Trip to have cheated or manipulated the game in anyway so I don't necessarily have a problem with it. But one mistake on his part could cause a lot of members to lose their willingness to stay involved with the game. |
I give my solumn word that Trip is not "an agent" of Roleplay. I'm sure Togas will back this, as will other members of my team, but I wanted to go ahead and get it said. For all it's worth, those members of GoW are being overly paranoid -- Roleplay is honorable, as are Togas and Trip.
Ghengis, if any of your members would like a more personal guarentee that Trip is not an agent of Roleplay, they can contact Togas (our leader) or any of the members of our team (including myself). This is not some canned answer, or something that I've even discussed with my team, but I'm confident in that regard -- there is simply no question in this area. We are a honorable team -- there's little point in winning if one would cheet to do it. Personally, I'd be the first to resign from the game if I had any doubts in this regard.
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Trip
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Hunt Valley
Apr 2002
time: 00:26
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Let me repeat something I told bigfree1 about this issue...
There are two kinds of "information gathering and handling" methods in this game.
1) Gathered through in-game research, or talking with members of other teams through discussion and negotiation.
2) Acquired through out-of-game means, either through the editor, exploiting PBEM cheats, etc.
1 has always been part of the game, and no matter how "angry" teams and team members get at each other, this is accepted as inevitable and part of the game. What's wrong with GF telling ND that RP is going to attack? ( ) It could happen in real life, so why not.
2 is unacceptable. 2 basically covers anything that couldn't be repeated historically. You can't exploit history and suddenly know where the new world is. As many people know, I'm very adamant about my disgust towards cheating. For those of you who were here 10 months ago, remember Trip, the guy who wanted to keep the save for the SPDG sealed away from the public for fear of cheating. The poll was close, but it was made so that the game was allowed to be distributed.
Again, I'm completely against cheating. There is nothing worse than cheating to suck the fun out of the game, and I fully understand the consequences of affecting the game in an unnatural manner.
Which teams currently support this proposal?
I think we have official "yes"s from Roleplay and Vox, but beyond that I'm not sure. GoW is still discussing, and haven't heard a thing from GS or ND.
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:26
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This is not an official GS reponse, there is some discussion going on in our team, but if you want access to Gathering Storm's private forum, one thing will be certain. There will have to be a group poll, like we did with all new members, and also with the other lurker / observer we already have: Soren.
Our procedure is essentially one in which every member has a veto right to use, dropping white or black balls in to a jar. So... I can't predict if you would be allowed, but I can predict if you wouldn't be, and you haven't convinced me yet. I support the idea in prinicipal, but there are many possible ways this could go wrong, so until I feel more sure this is going to objective and safe, you still got a black ball from me. Sorry 
DeepO
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:26
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Originally posted by Trip
Not to split hairs, but your tune sure did change when the subject went from a Lux AAR to a 'complete AAR' (including GS)...  |
No, that is not the problem. I would love a full AAR, and no matter if this chronicle will go through, I'll write a GS AAR, or part of it, when the game ends for us. But surely you can understand there are some reservations when it comes to most intimately disclosing our forum while the game is still running. You can tell you will not abuse it, and I believe you really mean that when you say it, but faults can always happen, and I don't know how you would do things.
What exactly is the proposal now; a closed chronicle, only to be published after the game? A delayed one? If so, by how much? How detailed will it be, would it include screenshots of important events like epic battles and such? (animated) minimaps? How much specific information on a team will you disclose? How will you make sure the team does not get offended by anything you post?
I still have many questions left... as said, an example might explain a lot. I don't care which game you pick, I don't care what you describe, I just want to see something in the style of what your chronicle would look like. It shouldn't be a Lux AAR, if that's your intention; I doubt you will be allowed to publish a GS AAR before the game ends. So if it's not an AAR, what do you have in mind, precisely? Please show me... convince me
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Trip
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Hunt Valley
Apr 2002
time: 00:26
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Any material relating to a particular team will be stored in a seperate file for each team. At each 'release date,' I would show the section of each team what I would be publishing. If they believe that it contains information they would rather not have released, then it won't be released, and another period of time (a month, 2 months, 25 turns, whatever) another vote would be held.
The specific content has yet to be determined. Screenshots, etc. will be very valuable, and I will probably be gathering a few, but those, like the chronicles themselves, would be subject to review by the teams involved before anything would be released. While I can't yet demonstrate to you what I would have to offer (I have some things written up, but I can't disclose them ), since my writing would involve quite a range of things, including important specific actions (battles, etc.), in addition to general views of teams, like "such and such a team is having reservations about agreeing to the trade offered by such-and-such another team, due to the fact that they could get it elsewhere, etc. etc." As I said before, things will vary greatly depending upon the material. Even if I did a "demo" of my writing, based upon something else, like from the SPDG, it would not have all of the things I would need to include in the real chronicles, so it wouldn't be an accurate portrayal of what I would be making.
Also, I can assure you, it would not be from a "Lux point of view." It would be like a reporter, looking in at the action and describing it to someone who was not familiar with the situation. As I said, it wouldn't be biased either. Instead of "the trecharous treaty" it would be "such and such a team viewed this treaty as trecharous, because it impacted them in such-and-such a way." Like I said, think of a newspaper or magazine article. Just reporting.
[Edit]Me likes paragraphs...[/Edit]
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12-03-2003 02:49
I will try to find something though...
...but we are willing to allow Trip access to our private forum for the purpose of recording the history of the game. 
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