17-03-2003 02:32									#181
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Yes, members of the US armed services are volunteers. But that doesn't mean it's ok to treat them like toy soldiers and put their lives at risk to fight a war of choice.

	17-03-2003 02:59									#182
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC Yes, members of the US armed services are volunteers. But that doesn't mean it's ok to treat them like toy soldiers and put their lives at risk to fight a war of choice.

So, no one incapable of combat should be in the decision making process? Or mybe just those in the forces?

Great! War and peace decided by a bunch of young men high on testosterone.

	17-03-2003 03:02									#183
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC You advocate the invasion and conquest of Iraq in order to stop human rights violations, but you're not willing participate in that military action yourself. Unless you're willing to join the military and act on your convictions, you're just blowing hot air.

How are you finding life as a human shield, Ann? If my hair was longer I could attractively style it in the hot air emanating from your good self. Ultimately we're just all a bunch of ****ers with opinions.

	17-03-2003 03:06									#184
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Exactly.

	17-03-2003 03:10									#185
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Great! War and peace decided by a bunch of young men high on testosterone.

Perhaps you think that, but I don't. Either you didn't read what I posted, or you deliberately misinterpreted it.

	17-03-2003 03:13									#186
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I'm not a human shield, Laz. Frankly, I think those people are idiots.

Yes we all have opinions, and I voiced mine.

	17-03-2003 03:18									#187
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Fabulous. Incidentally I think homosexuality is a great and groovy thing too, though I have no intention of taking one up the shitter to prove it.

	17-03-2003 03:22									#188
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Funny thing about that incident. I heard that the brass wanted to avoid civilian injuries or deaths in scuffles between protesters and guards, so they issued the gate sentries blanks instead of live ammo. When that truck came in, there was nothing the gate sentries could do to stop it, and it was able to gather speed in the open area between the gate and the barracks. I doubt we issue blanks anymore.

What you heard was bullshit. What was denied, by civilian political types in DC, who didn't want to be "provocative" was a request to emplace "dragon's teeth concrete barriers to force a vehicle to zig and zag at slow speed, along with the request to emplace a couple of .50 cal HMGs for perimeter security - that was denied since the range and penetrating power of the .50 is so high that civilian casualties would be unavoidable if the .50's were used. That would be a reasonable precaution with the dragon's teeth, but not without.

The gate sentries had live ammo, but the truck had a very short run, and was able to just floor it and get the driver out in front of the gate sentries, so they had no direct shot at him. The rooftop sentry was at too long a range and too poor an angle to direct effective fire at the driver of the truck, due to it's speed.

	17-03-2003 03:31									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Fabulous. Incidentally I think homosexuality is a great and groovy thing too, though I have no intention of taking one up the shitter to prove it.

So do you advocate that others take one up the shitter to prove your point for you?

Ann has a valid point. Not so much with what we opine as a collective bunch of powerless morons on a website, but with the policy makers who are pushing this war, often disregarding professional military experts, and who have no prior history of meaningful service themselves. The only exception to that mold is Powell, who is the most moderate of the bunch.

The post-war assessment in the US, especially among much of the current pro-war bunch, is going to vary greatly with the time delay and body count.

	17-03-2003 05:00									#190
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...and how much they can blame everything on Clinton.

	17-03-2003 05:02									#191
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Saddam is the naughty old man... as many others... but we don't like him as he stepped on our toe... so he has to pay dearly

and he has mutant ants brewing up in the desert too

	18-03-2003 19:11									#192
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A tad bit late, but dont think I'm bumping this thread.

I see Lazarus has found a lot of reasons for the US to invade Iraq. I say its an excuse, not a reason.

I could give you thousands of such pages from all over the world. There are many other countries that are even worse.

Saying this IS the reason to attack Iraq nonsense. In fact, there is a word for that and it starts with a H.

	18-03-2003 19:16									#193
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Whatever is included in what Hussein has done,
one thing I hope he's done is pack his bags.

In 48 hours, one way or another, he's on his way to being history.

	18-03-2003 19:24									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Daz I have seen a report from the USA the other day and it got me thinking: Why exactly do the Americans hate Saddam this much? What exactly has he done to the American people to become the most hated guy in USA?

Nothing.
and for the last 34 years that is.

Prompted by the US in the Iraq- Iran war, armed by the US.

	18-03-2003 21:45									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Daz I see Lazarus has found a lot of reasons for the US to invade Iraq. I say its an excuse, not a reason. I could give you thousands of such pages from all over the world. There are many other countries that are even worse. Saying this IS the reason to attack Iraq nonsense. In fact, there is a word for that and it starts with a H.

Well, let's see. I said there were countries I considered to be worse too. I said it was subjective. I said there were other reasons.

Where was it that you stopped understanding?

	18-03-2003 21:51									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Well, let's see. I said there were countries I considered to be worse too. I said it was subjective. I said there were other reasons. Where was it that you stopped understanding?

You tell him, Laz.

	19-03-2003 12:45									#197
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Well, Laz. If you post 10+ pages of incriminating human rights violations I tend to get what you're aiming at.

If that is sooo subjective, why bother posting it. Unless that IS your point. Duh!

	20-03-2003 01:30									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Edit it. You can post it under your own name and I have no objections at all. I don't want anyone coming into this thread and thinking I'm equating Iraq to Israel.

Lazarus has a valid point. If there isn't a rule against the stunt that Che pulled on ACS, there ought to be. Che's advancing his own view while making it appear as though the view is, in fact, Lazarus's. That's nothing short of fraud.

	20-03-2003 01:34									#199
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He edited it.

	20-03-2003 01:43									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Daz Well, Laz. If you post 10+ pages of incriminating human rights violations I tend to get what you're aiming at. If that is sooo subjective, why bother posting it. Unless that IS your point. Duh!

I see. So when I directly and deliberately wrote that I don't consider Iraq to be the worst regime in the world, and that there are other reasons for the war, I didn't actually mean it?

Can I hire you to explain all my posts to me?

	20-03-2003 01:47									#201
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I heard that Saddam hunted an illegal CBeast.