20-03-2003 02:50									#31
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I played Civ2 since it was released. Honestly, now that I have Civ3, I can't go back to Civ2. I just miss too many of the features they added. Civ2 just seems a little more hollow to me now.

If you can get Civ2 for free or very cheap, then there's no reason not to check it out, though. Maybe you will enjoy it a lot, who knows?

	20-03-2003 04:59									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It's worth getting real cheap. I should get civ1 for that matter. I have never played it. Where could I find civ1?

Evansville, IN: from the Mojave head due east, take a left at Memphis, then ask.

	20-03-2003 04:59									#33
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If you can get Civ 1 & 2, do it! It would be like playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein without ever touching Wolf3D! Unacceptable! You've got to check out the game that started it all.

	21-03-2003 04:08									#34
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Instead of Civ II you should go all the way back to the original Civ (DOS based). Now that was a game!! I played that one exclusively for two years. Totally addicted! Of course, back then good games were few and far between. The only other games that could compete were Dark Forces and Doom II. Warcraft was still 3 years away and Quake was only a John carmack dream.

	21-03-2003 04:55									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It's worth getting real cheap. I should get civ1 for that matter. I have never played it. Where could I find civ1?

http://aw.localhost.ee/aw/view/73.html

	21-03-2003 07:38									#36
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Great link, I wasn't aware it was available for download.

	21-03-2003 08:06									#37
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You have to create a login to download it, though. They also have the Windows version, so anyone interested might want to get that instead.

	21-03-2003 08:20									#38
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How does the Windows version work? Is it a DOS space within a Window, kind of like a framed WOW session? Or, was the app re-written for Windows? I can't imagine that happening.

I guess I better download it and find out. Thanks for the link.

-TT

	21-03-2003 08:45									#39
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AFAIK, the windows version was actually rewritten for windows. The interface and graphics look different than in the original DOS version.

	21-03-2003 09:20									#40
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Huh, I guess my imagination isn't as good as I thought it was.

Thanks Boris. Still haven't DL'd, but I'll let you know when I do.

- TT

	21-03-2003 22:51									#41
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

No prob. For the record, I don't like sites like this and wouldn't download a game that is commercially available, as I like to support game designers with my dollars. However, Civ I is, AFAIK, not in print anymore, so buying it retail is virtually impossible. Also, I have seen it give out as a free game with several demo discs in game magazines, which says to me that it is open for distributing freely.

	22-03-2003 16:23									#42
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HOTU also gives it for free, doesn't it?

	22-03-2003 21:15									#43
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No. CivI is copy protected.

	23-03-2003 00:10									#44
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quote: No. CivI is copy protected.

You mean the questions about research-advancing? They're easy, if you've played the game.

	23-03-2003 00:14									#45
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quote: AFAIK, the windows version was actually rewritten for windows. The interface and graphics look different than in the original DOS version.

There's some bugs, also, at least I do get some error-messages.

	23-03-2003 00:17									#46
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quote: Love PtW. Is CivII worth having?

Now, on-topic. Andemagne raises some respectable points out.

Still, if you want a short answer, it's 'no'. If you see it for €5, and have some extra money, then reconsider

	23-03-2003 00:51									#47
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Get CivII, but only if it's cheap. Merely for the novelty, and also so you have some idea about what everyone's talking about when they complain about lost features.

For me, the only usefullness CivII REALLY brought me was an introduction into the Civ series. Before that I was playing SMAC, then for my B-day my sis gave me CivII (knowing that I was into TBS). I played a bit, though I still preferred SMAC. But I was ecstatic to hear about CivIII. Now that CivIII is out, CivII has lost most of its usefullness to CivIII. But still, if you see it cheap somewhere, get it.

	23-03-2003 02:11									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu You mean the questions about research-advancing? They're easy, if you've played the game.

No he means its not free, even though it has been abandoned and no longer produced.

civ3 will never replace CivII as long as it cant support proper scenarios and customizability. Theres just too many CivII scenarios for it to be replaced by civ3.

	23-03-2003 05:05									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Still, if you want a short answer, it's 'no'. If you see it for €5, and have some extra money, then reconsider

are you saying that 10€ for Civ2 is too much?

	23-03-2003 09:33									#50
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Civ 3 is King in my opinion.

With that said, Civ 2 offers excellent scenarios. I occasionally go back to play them. In fact, as much as I love Civ 3, I think it's a real shame that they didn't implement the scenario capabilities that Civ 2 has.

My favorite Civ 2 scenarios are "The World Of Jules Verne", "Alien Invasion" (both included in Civ 2), "Sub Wars" (a download) and this other one (can't remember the name) that was based off of the Deep Space 9 series (another download). Good stuff!

	23-03-2003 09:45									#51
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This BTW thread I started is still going?
Must be some strong feelings about the 2 games.
Here's what happened:
I got it for a song ('Me and Bobbie McGee', I'm sorry to say), played it a couple of times and have this to say:

I had to do my best to forget about CIII/PtW, but it was, overall, fun, and (surprise!) that's what I want in a game. May never play it again, tho'.

But I will say this (Tolkein fans will understand): CIII is a bit like reading 'Return of the King' before 'Two Towers'--that is figuring CI as 'Fellowship.'

Or maybe not. CIII was my intro to these kind of games. Can you think of a better intro?

(edited glaring grammatical error only. If they don't glare I don't edit)

	23-03-2003 13:34									#52
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quote: are you saying that 10€ for Civ2 is too much?

...why...

Yes, if he has Civ3 & PTW

	27-03-2003 05:14									#53
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Why I like civ 2 better
Yeah well I love Fundamentalism.
why
every city can build 10 units before requiring support
tithes
no corruption
no war weariness
no be successful min tax rate and max science lol like you need more money with this gov cause with it you are running a Religious, warmongering, Bill Gates government
Have many cities and fully develop them
With fundementalism bigger is better
I could care less about culture and hate being disposed
So any highly cultural enemy gets razed. I play as a monarch gov.
Ps. Is it possible to warmonger with democracy?
When I played the WW2 scenario I would immediately revolt the US into fundamentalism
CiV III just adds better graphics and more units like UU and modern Armor. And advantages of one civ to another

	28-03-2003 00:04									#54
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BlueWaldo said:

"CivII is hands down the best game of all time. With that said, CivIII is a better game than CivII. However, it does not come close to replacing CivII as the best game of all time."

My sentiments exactly!

GarP
Addicted since early Civ I