20-03-2003 22:55									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ozz Crown fruit Company,- isn't assassinating foreign presidents against US law?

If US law dictated international law and what constitutes war crimes, you might have me there on that being considered a war crime... except that the policy also only stands in order to protect the US president from similar attempts and it has recently been repealed.

Anyway, blame the CIA mandate for that, not national policy. There wouldn't be any plausible deniability without them

quote: The Contra - affair, guns to Iran, money to rebels fighting a democratically elected government.

Since when is funding rebels a war crime?

	20-03-2003 23:03									#32
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quote: again, no one is proud of what we did. but it had to be done.

??? Uber, you support the Vietnam War??? Say it ain't so!

	20-03-2003 23:38									#33
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Screw you, Sava.

You ignorant little twerp.
Maybe I can show you somepics that illustrate how sorry the South was that the Americans were there.

	20-03-2003 23:41									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sava ??? Uber, you support the Vietnam War??? Say it ain't so!

i don't support it, but i support what we did to win it.

the Vietnamese were hardcore though. They did everything they had to do in order to win the war, both on the battlefield and in the villages themselves.

when facing insurmontable odds, drastic measures must be taken.

despite what you may think, when shorts are fired, the rules go out the window.

	20-03-2003 23:42									#35
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War Crimes are defined by the victors. Simple as that.

	20-03-2003 23:48									#36
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i don't support it, but i support what we did to win it. the Vietnamese were hardcore though. They did everything they had to do in order to win the war, both on the battlefield and in the villages themselves. when facing insurmontable odds, drastic measures must be taken. despite what you may think, when shorts are fired, the rules go out the window.

Well, yeah. If my shorts were on fire, I'd do whatever it took.

	20-03-2003 23:49									#37
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We should have never been there in the first place.

Slowwy!

	20-03-2003 23:53									#38
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It's not a war crime to destroy iraqui oil fields since they are in Iraqui territory to begin with. Scorched earth.

Attacking Israel IS illegal but no more so than the US and UK attacking Irak. Both are unwarranted attacks against sovereign states and flagrant violations of internation law.

	20-03-2003 23:57									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sava We should have never been there in the first place. Slowwy!

As I recall "we" weren't.
As I also recall, people damned near killed themselves in the panic to be evacuated.
As I also recall, every single refugee or relative of someone that refugeed, would tell you to stick it squarely up your ass.

Guess what, Sava?
Their opinion carries a hell of a lot more validity with me than does yours.

	20-03-2003 23:58									#40
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Blowing up oil wells will disrupt the oil markets and increase the cost of the war for the Americans. It would be okay for the Iraqis to blow up their oil wells in peacetime, to suggest that wartime makes them untouchable is silly.

	21-03-2003 00:00									#41
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****. I know better than to try and reason with people who in all actuality should be chasing an ice cream truck.

Think what you want, it doen't really matter.

	21-03-2003 00:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser that the policy also only stands in order to protect the US president from similar attempts and it has recently been repealed. Anyway, blame the CIA mandate for that, not national policy. There wouldn't be any plausible deniability without them Since when is funding rebels a war crime?

I must be mistaken, but i believed that was a US law
at the time against assassination.

mandate, policy? That's like saying blame the crack when
a crackhead commits a crime. Come on, yer from Texas,
your not going to try and pass a bunch of lawyer snakeoil off on me?

When the other side calls them "Terrorists".

	21-03-2003 00:02									#43
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Gerald Ford signed a "No assassination" policy, President Bush rescinded it, in time of war.

Smart move.

	21-03-2003 00:05									#44
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As I recall, SLowwhand... tens of thousands Americans, and 4 million South-East Asians died in a fool's errand that accomplished nothing. Two of my uncles served in Vietnam... even today, there are a great many things that was never told to the public. But I can see your point... let's fight unjust wars with other peoples' money and other peoples' lives.

	21-03-2003 00:06									#45
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Ozz, would you mind moving over there to your left?
Over there, behind Sava in the "Wannabe smart, yet dumb as dirt line".

Thank you.
Have to keep things straight.

	21-03-2003 00:09									#46
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Run out of points? Resorting to insults?

	21-03-2003 00:13									#47
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The only point about you, is the top of your pointy little head.

I'll discuss it with your uncles, but you have nothing to say to me that I care to listen to.

	21-03-2003 00:15									#48
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Have to keep things straight.

You won't do that sellin' snake oil.

Sooo... US President R. Reagan breakin the law.

Crash & Burn Slowpoke, Crash & Burn

	21-03-2003 00:16									#49
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Good... they'll tell you about how wrong Vietnam was also. Well, sadly, my Uncle Tom passed away last November. Try a Ouiji board.

	21-03-2003 00:16									#50
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Chill please.

	21-03-2003 00:17									#51
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Well, care to discuss it with me?

	21-03-2003 00:18									#52
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quote: Originally posted by rah Chill please.

Ahhhh.... can't we play for another 5 posts?

Guess not

	21-03-2003 00:19									#53
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quote: Originally posted by rah Chill please.

	21-03-2003 00:22									#54
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You're an insulting little bastard, Sava.
Your last remark concerning your uncle shows that clearly.

Banned for making the point or not, you suck.

	21-03-2003 00:36									#55
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For on my on-topic contribution:

The Iraqi soldiers that set fire to oil wells or take part in the release of WoMD's should be held responsible for those actions. Oil well fires are environmental disasters, and WoMD's are the greatest of all evils. While killing people in combat is still bad, it technically isn't a war crime.

	21-03-2003 00:37									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ozz I must be mistaken, but i believed that was a US law at the time against assassination. mandate, policy? That's like saying blame the crack when a crackhead commits a crime. Come on, yer from Texas, your not going to try and pass a bunch of lawyer snakeoil off on me? When the other side calls them "Terrorists".

Title of this post is "War crimes or not?". I could care if less an assassination was against one of our own country's laws; it takes more than US policy to dictate what a war crime is, and that was the point.

As for Iran Contra, the other side will call them anything they want if it suits their purposes, doesn't necessarily make it so.

quote: In 1979 the Sandinistas launched an offensive from Costa Rica and Honduras that toppled Somoza. They established a junta that nationalized such industries as banking and mining, postponed elections, and moved steadily to the left, eventually espousing Marxist-Leninist positions. The Sandinista-dominated government was opposed by U.S.-supported guerrillas known as contras

I like it when "democratically-elected" governments postpone elections Doesn't seem in keeping with your profile. I wonder what those "terrorist" contras were fighting for?

	21-03-2003 00:47									#57
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I could care if less an assassination was against one of our own country's laws I like it when "democratically-elected" governments postpone elections Doesn't seem in keeping with your profile. I wonder what those "terrorist" contras were fighting for?

That seems to be one of many character flaws you have.

Like Chruchills government from 1938 - 1945 postponing
elections. I wonder what those "terrorist" Nazis were fighting for?