31-03-2003 21:07									#31
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Hey an answer to point one a team can just ignore a resolution, hey they do it all the time in RL.

	31-03-2003 23:57									#32
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quote: Originally posted by lmtoops Why I am against the UN: 1. A team cannot do what's best (for the team) because the UN has voted against it.

You can always do it and ignore the UN, of course, if you feel strong enough or can find supporters for your action. If everybody strongly disagrees with a team's action, that action would be countered anyway, with or without the UN.

quote: 2. Since there are so few teams, it is easy to influence a small few to push through favorable decisions.

That's the beauty of it (besides, there should be 2/3 majority rule).

	01-04-2003 03:19									#33
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why I'm for the UN:

1. gives a small team the ability to effect the game more

2. Increases importance of diplomacy

3. Increases importance of keeping deals and maintaining public opinion

4. Vox should have been allowed to settle

	01-04-2003 04:18									#34
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy 4. Vox should have been allowed to settle

Veto!

	01-04-2003 06:11									#35
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* UN orders a combined multi-team Coalition to invade and destroy Vox for comments like those



damn, I love the UN!!

	01-04-2003 06:17									#36
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Ok, I'm going to try and have a draft proposal for the creation of the UN up later tonight... be sure to give me some feedback!

	01-04-2003 06:43									#37
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UN appoints Master Zen as "funniest man alive"

	01-04-2003 09:54									#38
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy UN appoints Master Zen as "funniest man alive"

VETO!!!!

	01-04-2003 10:22									#39
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Draft Resolution 001:
Formation of a United Nations of Apolyton

Whereas all nations of the world are equal in the eyes of the law, an internation body is needed to let all settle disputes in a diplomatic and just manner.

Whereas is a great danger to all peoples of the world, peaceful solutions should be sought after with the greatest dilligence.

Let it be that this resolution shall achieve the following

1. Approve the establishment of a United Nations

2. Grant the right to each civilization of the world to appoint one representative to the council.

3. Appoint a Secretary General from the representatives on a rotational basis (in order of turn play) for a term of 15 turns.

4. Grant represenatives the right to draft further powers for the council in a democratic and timely fashion.

	01-04-2003 21:15									#40
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I think we should have two members but one vote. In case some is out of town or something along those lines. I guess it doesn't really matter.

Is the Secretary General rotating in the way turns are? in that order?

Is there anyway to break a tie? ie. Sec. Gen. gets two votes, but only if it is a tie.

	01-04-2003 22:11									#41
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy I think we should have two members but one vote. In case some is out of town or something along those lines. I guess it doesn't really matter. Is the Secretary General rotating in the way turns are? in that order? Is there anyway to break a tie? ie. Sec. Gen. gets two votes, but only if it is a tie.

1) In real life, each nation has 1 permanent representative. However, they have like 2nd in commands just in case. I guess it would depend on each team to see how many it appoints.

2) I don't know, I guess so, it would be the least unfair way...

3) IMO that's the best idea, a 2 vote tiebreaker (but only when there's a tie). This would be eliminated should another team be wiped out since an even number would remain.

	01-04-2003 22:38									#42
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quote: Is there anyway to break a tie? ie. Sec. Gen. gets two votes, but only if it is a tie.

Yes, actually, I meant to put that in there. That's why we have drafts, I guess

	03-04-2003 10:37									#43
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Ok, here's round two of the draft...


Draft Resolution 001:
Formation of a United Nations of Apolyton

Whereas all nations of the world are equal in the eyes of the law, an internation body is needed to let all settle disputes in a diplomatic and just manner.

Whereas is a great danger to all peoples of the world, peaceful solutions should be sought after with the greatest dilligence.

Let it be that this resolution shall achieve the following

1. Approve the establishment of a United Nations

2. Grant the right to each civilization of the world to appoint one representative to the council. In the event a representative cannot perform their duties, a substitute may be named by the concerned nation.

3. Appoint a Secretary General from the representatives on a rotational basis (in order of turn play) for a term of 15 turns. The SecGen shall have two(2) votes for the duration of their term.

4. Grant represenatives the right to draft further powers for the council in a democratic and timely fashion.

	03-04-2003 12:46									#44
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Minor nitpick:

quote: Whereas [war] is a great danger to all peoples of the world, peaceful solutions should be sought after with the greatest dilligence.

I believe 'war' was left out of this sentence.

	03-04-2003 13:07									#45
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Minor suggestions

quote: Originally posted by ZargonX 2. Grant the right to each civilization of the world to appoint one representative to the council. In the event a representative cannot perform their duties, a substitute may be named by the concerned nation. Each civilization through their representative, has the right to one vote on any matter concerning the UN. 3. Appoint a Secretary General from the representatives on a rotational basis (in order of turn play) for a term of 15 turns. The SecGen shall have the same voting rights as any other representative, only in the case of a tie will his vote count twice.

other than that I think it's fine. We should start deciding who will be "preliminary" representatives to start drafting the charter with all the duties and rights which the UN will have.

	04-04-2003 01:20									#46
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sorry, I don't have time to read it, but does this resolution assume that all civs will become part of the UN? Because some might not want to be involved, and others might want to be.

	04-04-2003 02:01									#47
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I'm not sure that all civs should want to be involved. I assume it may be fun to argue and debate UN issues, and I'm positive that this will add another fun level to this game, however, the UN is a means to equality for all of the Civs ... each civ gets 1 vote ... and I don't know if all of the civs should want that.

--Togas

	04-04-2003 02:39									#48
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It would be fun though if ALL joined and if resolutions were approved against their interest they can "express their discontent" by slapping the SecGen with a large trout...

	04-04-2003 03:43									#49
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Bah.

It should just be up to me to decide who's right and wrong...

Wait, in the long run that's how it is, I better shaddap...

	04-04-2003 04:04									#50
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Well, here's our second resolution:

Resolution 002
Removal of Trip as Writer of Chronicles

Gravely concerned at Trip's possible distortion of the truth in posterity

Convineced he will end up saying that Lux was victim of a worldwide conspiracy

Determined that the truth not be distorted

Appreciating the cooperation of all in this regard

1) Declares Trip unfit for his duties as Writer of Chronicles

2) Suggests Trip be banished to Tripsilvania where an official UN inspection team will drive a stake though his heart ridding us of his evil forever.

	10-04-2003 03:23									#51
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Bump. Maybe people will want to take another look at this idea...

	10-04-2003 03:40									#52
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I think this clause was intentionally written the way it was so you fill in whatever was appropriate.

quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Ok, here's round two of the draft... [b]Draft Resolution 001: Whereas (the UN) is a great danger to all peoples of the world, peaceful solutions should be sought after with the greatest dilligence.