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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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  Old Post 28-03-2003 13:07
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Showing those pictures and videos, painful as they were, was a good thing for the American side. It shows our opponents as the evil monsters they are.

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  Old Post 28-03-2003 13:58
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I do have a question...since al-jazeera is not an Iraqi news organisation then how is them showing footage of captured/killed US soldiers, or that footage of the 2 UK dead for that matter, any different from, say, the BBC showing footage from any african conflict (for example) in which captured and killed soldiers are shown?

I am rather confused by all this...

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Ahem. Just to remind everyone of the fact that showing imprisoned enemies is against the Geneva convention. So is using cluster bombs and bombing TV stations.

We are no better than the enemy.....

How sad...

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Interesting. I knew about parading POWs, but where exactly were cluster bombs and targeting of communications outlawed?

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I did some quick research here and found that cluster bombs are not actually banned, but there is some sort of worldwide moratorium on their use. This just prooves that you shouldnt believe all you hear on TV.

A TV broadcasting station is a civilian target, with civilians operating it. The military, as the forum experts will tell you, has no practical use of its infrastructure. The intention is to leave the population uninformed (unmisinformed that is... ) Might as well cut off the water supply...

BTW... the first footage of POWs ive seen in this war was on CNN showing the Iraqis being given water and stuff.

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  Old Post 28-03-2003 15:38
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TMM,

WRT cluster bombs,

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The umbrella group of 55 organisations says the Geneva Convention bans weapons that cause "superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering", and those not directed at a specific military target.


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  Old Post 28-03-2003 15:40
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Thanks UR.
god bless the internet, eh?

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  Old Post 28-03-2003 15:43
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Define 'unneccessary' and how it relates to a cluster bomb.

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And if you think a television transmitter is only of civilian use, you really need to reconsider.

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And I can't believe you find cutting off TV to be comparable to cutting off water.

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Define 'unneccessary' and how it relates to a cluster bomb.


There is a fair chance that the bomblets from cluster bombs don't explode right away, but sit in the ground to kill and maim at a later time. Therefore, unnecessarily suffering.

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The Problem with Cluster Bombs: They Kill Indiscriminately Today and Tomorrow

Cluster bombs kill indiscriminately in two ways. First, their wide-area nature and often poor targeting mechanisms nearly guarantee that unintended victims will die or be injured when the weapons function as designed. Secondly, submunitions continue to kill long after the battle is over because of their failure to explode on contact or as designed. Dud rates are often in the 10-15% range, but may range as high as 30%. While the term dud suggests deactivation, in reality many of the duds are armed but failed to function on initial impact. These submunitions may explode at the slightest touch, and are highly lethal, frequently killing more than one person because of their wide fragmentation patterns. Like landmines, cluster munitions must be located and destroyed one by one, a costly and time consuming process.

In 1976, thirteen nations called for a ban on anti-personnel cluster weapons. Those countries were Algeria, Austria, Egypt, Lebanon, Mali, Mauritania, Mexico, Norway, Sudan, Switzerland, Venezuela, and Yugoslavia. They focused on the immediate effects of cluster weapons, stating in a working paper that:

These anti-personnel fragmentation weapons tend to have both indiscriminate effects and to cause unnecessary suffering. At detonation a vast number of small fragments or pellets are dispersed evenly covering a large area with a high degree of probability of hitting any person in the area. The effect of such a detonation on unprotected persons - military or civilian - in the comparatively large target area is almost certain to be severe with multiple injuries caused by many tiny fragments. Multiple injuries considerably raise the level of pain and suffering. They often call for prolonged and difficult medical treatment and the cumulative effect of the many injuries increases the mortality risk. . . . When the normal weapon effect is so extensive as to cover areas of several square kilometers in an attack by a single aircraft, these weapons are hardly capable of use anywhere without hitting civilians incidentally.

The past two decades of experience not only reinforce these conclusions but demonstrate the additional negative side effect of cluster weapons, that being the creation of de facto unmarked minefields.

As with land mines, children often fall victim to submunitions. Attracted by a combination of size, shape, and/or color, children often pick up submunitions and are killed or injured. A recent study sponsored by the International Committee of the Red Cross in Kosovo found that children were five times more likely to be killed or injured by submunitions than by land mines.

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That applies to every unexploded mortar round, flak shell, rpg, dumb bomb, smart bomb, and missle still lying around. It's too vague a concept to be of any use as a standard.

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The army doesnt need TV transmitters. Its got much better ways to communicate. It simpy doesnt use them...

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Because they got blown up.

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Awww, come on! Saying you blew up that TV transmitter because the military used it for communication is like blowing up the waterworks because the military used the water for their tanks' windshield wipers...

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Not really. Think about how Britain used radio vis a vis the Resistance in WWII.

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How would a pez dispenser answer my question?

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Well, there were not much alternatives in the 40s, were there?

I'm just saying that it is unnecessary from a military perspective. Maybe at a later stage, but now.... It is quite obvious what the purpose was. Making up excuses only makes it more obvious.

The TV building COULD become a communications means for the military.... that school COULD become a bunker... that school bus COULD be transporting troops to the battlefield.

I know anything COULD happen. But shouldnt we wait until it happens?



PS. We're like totally jacking this thread!! Although it was kinda dead anyway....

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  Old Post 28-03-2003 16:41
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I find all this hacker bullsh!t annoying as hell. Leave people alone to do what they want.

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It gets worse. I've found this site posted on a number of websites claiming to be an al-jazeera mirror, http://www.aljazeerah.info/ , which is obviously trying to pose it as a propagandist organization. Everything on the website is geared toward anti-american anti-war diatribes Nice bit of propaganda itself, I thought I had found the actual site for a few minutes. Check the legal bit at the bottom about the use of copyrighted material. Nice touch.

 
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