30-03-2003 20:18									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Winston I'm always amazed at how many people actually believe "aliens" exist. Not that there's any evidence or even indications to support their belief.

It is far more rational to believe that, given the fact there are 100-400 billion stars in our galaxy alone, and over 150 billion galaxies, that there are sentient life forms on other worlds throughout the universe. It is rather silly to believe that we're alone in the universe, considering its scope. The odds of Earth being the only planet with life on it are so low as to make such a notion laughable.

	30-03-2003 20:47									#32
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quote: Look at all the varieties of cars in the world right now. Look at all the varieties of cars in the world over the past several decades. How can you claim that because the details of sightings have changed that the sightings are immediately false?

Firstly, I never claimed that the sightings were immediately false, I just said that the changes in alien spacecraft suggested that it was cultural factors at work. It's also misleading to claim that it's 'the details' of the sightings that have changed, when what is being 'seen' is markedly different.

Even if we accept that the aliens have been altering their spacecraft to coincide with wider fashion trends, how do you explain the changes in the types of alien seen? We've gone from humanoids claiming to be from Venus to 'Grays', fresh from the X-files. Are they altering their appearance as well?

	30-03-2003 20:49									#33
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Fermi Paradox: “Why are they not here yet?”

Obviously our planet has not been substantially colonized by any extraterrestrial life form, and we do not understand why this is so.

	30-03-2003 21:06									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It is far more rational to believe [... ]

Bringing rationality into the debate in support of the existance of "aliens" seems like a bit of a stretch.

	30-03-2003 22:10									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Bringing rationality into the debate in support of the existance of "aliens" seems like a bit of a stretch.

You're dodging the point. Why is it remotely rational to assume that, out of over 150 billion galaxies, each with billions upon billions of solar systems, that we're the only planet with life on it? That is simply foolish.

	30-03-2003 22:18									#36
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If there were any indication of alien life, it might be foolish to believe otherwise. As it stands, no such indications are before us, so I wonder who's more foolish, the believer or the non-believer.

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Firstly, I never claimed that the sightings were immediately false, I just said that the changes in alien spacecraft suggested that it was cultural factors at work. It's also misleading to claim that it's 'the details' of the sightings that have changed, when what is being 'seen' is markedly different. Even if we accept that the aliens have been altering their spacecraft to coincide with wider fashion trends, how do you explain the changes in the types of alien seen? We've gone from humanoids claiming to be from Venus to 'Grays', fresh from the X-files. Are they altering their appearance as well?

A great wide universe; it is conceivable to believe that there is more than one type of alien on Earth. It's more reasonable to suggest, however, that the vast majority of UFO or alien encounters are hoaxes or psychological episodes of some sort. I am far more inclined to believe that UFOs are alien sightings than are encounters with alien life forms.

But, given the huge number of sightings and the great improbability of there being no life in the universe besides our own, I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to think that at some point in our history, we were visited by alien life of some sort.

	30-03-2003 22:25									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Winston If there were any indication of alien life, it might be foolish to believe otherwise. As it stands, no such indications are before us, so I wonder who's more foolish, the believer or the non-believer.

This is nonsense, as our means of detecting anything of the kind are extremely limited to our dinkly little sliver of the galaxy. Until we have the means of making detailed surveys of the galaxy, it is indeed foolish to assume we're alone in the universe, considering its sheer vastness. There's no reason to think there aren't lifeforms on other planets, and the laws of probability make it a practical certainty.

	30-03-2003 22:38									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There's no reason to think there aren't lifeforms on other planets

Is that so?

Truely amazing.

	30-03-2003 22:40									#40
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Oh, and I'll answer the 'God' question in advance. questioning does God exist is vastly different, because:
a) God doesn't uphold the laws of physics, the developement of life does.
b) One may say to himself that "god exists it can't be otherwise, since someone had to create all the universe" is similar to "life exists on other planets, because it has to, statistically". But this is a wrong assumption. since the probabitity of life existing on a certain planet is derived from the laws of physics, and the assumption that some has to create all the universe is derived from the laws of human logic. We already established that god doesn't exist inside the universe, since he doens't uphold the laws of physics, so if he can exist, it must be outside the universe ( to us, a purely theoretical concept). So if his "base of operations" is outside the universe, the entire demand for god to exist, " 'cause someone had to make all of this" , that relies on the laws of human logic, is not applicable as well.

	30-03-2003 22:52									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Is that so? Truely amazing.

Absolutely. Name me one good reason why we should assume so.

	30-03-2003 23:02									#42
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We wouldn't know an alien if it slapped us in the face with it's tentacle. Hell, we're still trying to figure out
and understand whats living on earth. (like huge fungus's miles long under forests, sulphur breathing
critters living in volanic vents on the bottom of the
pacific, fish caught off madagasgar that died and have
been extinct for 40 million years.

There ain't no aliens, just life as we don't know it.

	30-03-2003 23:54									#43
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Has any of you ever seen Juhan af Grann and/or his documents on aliens? I bet he is an alien and a living proof that total a-hole alien lifeforms do exist.

	30-03-2003 23:55									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Yes, aliens do exist and yes, they have visited Earth. The Tunguska blast of 1909 was the first (and only) visit to Earth by aliens. Those poor ET's had the misfortune of picking Russia, the armpit of Eurasia, as their point of initial contact. After observing Russian citizens for a few days, the aliens concluded that humans were not an intelligent species and left, never to return. So, if the aliens were hostile, thank you Russia. If the aliens were friendly, screw you Russia. Either way, you're still a bunch of retards.

But remember Belgium?! I mean, they were obviously warning the Belgiun government about how opposition to the US is completly wrong (You have to remember the aliens can travel in time.) and that they should support any US-lead war on anyone.

And of course you can't forget how aliens once disabled this Silo that the US had full of nukes. Of course this was just saying "Look what we shall do to your enemies in case they turn evil".

Cause when they visited Russia, they determined that not only were they stupid but evil!!!!. So they did all this. I mean, duh

	31-03-2003 00:26									#45
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quote: But remember Belgium?! I mean, they were obviously warning the Belgiun government about how opposition to the US is completly wrong (You have to remember the aliens can travel in time.) and that they should support any US-lead war on anyone. And of course you can't forget how aliens once disabled this Silo that the US had full of nukes. Of course this was just saying "Look what we shall do to your enemies in case they turn evil".

Lies! All lies!

The aliens didn't flee because Russians were evil, but because they were stupid (and smelly). The aliens view Russians (and all humans by unfortunate association) in much the same way we view cattle...

	31-03-2003 01:14									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 But remember Belgium?! I mean, they were obviously warning the Belgiun government about how opposition to the US is completly wrong (You have to remember the aliens can travel in time.) and that they should support any US-lead war on anyone.

I can assure you that Belgium IS supporting the US in their war against Irak. Just look at the amount of US military material passing through the port of Antwerp.

But , back on topic :

Aliens exist.
They visited earth 65 million years ago and killed all dinosaurs, so mammals could prosper and become sentient.

	31-03-2003 03:45									#47
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We would be screwed if they did, so no and no.

EDIT: Checked the poll numbers.... Just wonderful.

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	31-03-2003 04:23									#48
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I already got banned for saying that Jesus was an alien, but given the facts, or lack there of, I am not going to say either way, and won't be surprise when the second coming of christ is over shadowed by his UFO and technologically advanced devices.

As a scientist:
Do I believe, no... I don't believe in anything.

Do I know, no... Thus, my opinion is just as assinine as anyone else who lacks proof of the contrary.

	31-03-2003 05:10									#49
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quote: Given the incredible amont of stars in space, it'd seem nearly impossible for their not to be aliens, there could even be sentient aliens out there. Certainly however they have never visited Earth.

Shi, to keep this short, I agree with you

	31-03-2003 06:27									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The aliens didn't flee because Russians were evil, but because they were stupid (and smelly). The aliens view Russians (and all humans by unfortunate association) in much the same way we view cattle...

You wouldn't know!!! I've talked to them, I KNOW!!!!

	31-03-2003 06:30									#51
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quote: I've talked to them, I KNOW!!!

I know you've talked to them; that's precisely the problem. The aliens talked to a few Russians and just assumed that the rest of humanity was equally as worthless...

	31-03-2003 06:37									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: I've talked to them, I KNOW!!! I know you've talked to them; that's precisely the problem. The aliens talked to a few Russians and just assumed that the rest of humanity was equally as worthless...

Unfortunately, the assumption was correct

	31-03-2003 07:32									#53
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If the Aliens landed in Russia, and are really advanced, how could we tell them from the Russians? Could they not disguise themselves to such an extent that one could marry a Russian and never notice the difference?

	31-03-2003 07:39									#54
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If the aliens are so intelligent, why the hell would they want to marry a Russian woman? I assume they have some taste...

	31-03-2003 07:47									#55
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She's Russian.

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	31-03-2003 07:50									#56
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Well, you have to give them credit, Boris.

	31-03-2003 08:00									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov She's Russian.

She represents another thing we shall always triumph over America in

	31-03-2003 08:03									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov She's Russian.

Do you mean the cat ?

	31-03-2003 08:55									#59
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Ask the people who work at the little site that is about 15 miles away from Dream Land that is part of area 51 that is north of Las Vegas.
If you don't know there are two places at Area 51. One is the base that flies secret Air Force planes and then there is the other some 15 miles away the the Air Force Base.

	31-03-2003 08:58									#60
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You do realize there could be more than one true answer in your poll, as I do happen to have bananas in my kitchen. Yes aliens exist, no, they never visted Earth.