02-04-2003 22:15									#31
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand As far as Boris, he's so positive that God's condemning him to Hell-fire, he'd never admit the possibility of eternity.

Nice ad hominem attack. Why would I be positive of such a thing? Which God would be condemning me to Hellfire? Yaweh, Zeus or Osiris?

And you'll notice I specifically said "probably not," which is de facto admitting a possibility, however remote.

Perhaps you should read more of the Bible you believe in and see what it says about judgmental hypocrites like yourself, and where it thinks such people will end up.

	02-04-2003 22:18									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Nice ad hominem attack. Why would I be positive of such a thing? Which God would be condemning me to Hellfire? Yaweh, Zeus or Osiris? And you'll notice I specifically said "probably not," which is de facto admitting a possibility, however remote. Perhaps you should read more of the Bible you believe in and see what it says about judgmental hypocrites like yourself, and where it thinks such people will end up.

exxxxxactly. the only proper thing to do is to refrain judgement.

	02-04-2003 22:23									#33
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I'll find out if there's life after death when I die, and not a moment sooner. So, until that day comes, it's just not worth my worrying about it.

In other words, "Banana."

	02-04-2003 22:51									#34
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I am an Atheist, but I do beleive in an afterlife. The evidence for the existance of ghosts is very good. I think that the electrical signals in your nervous system have to go somewhere, they cant just dissappear, that violates the conservation of mass and energy.

	02-04-2003 23:00									#35
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Hmm, from the looks of the poll, there are going to be quite a few people here pleasently surprised when they die.

	02-04-2003 23:14									#36
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"having no expierence with any soul-detecting hardware I'll have to say i don't know."
I suspected for quite a while that you had no heart...

	02-04-2003 23:24									#37
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You're sputtering over the wrong thing there, Big B.

But, belief as you will. Makes no difference to me.

	02-04-2003 23:25									#38
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of course its possible, anything is possible

likely? i'm not sure

	02-04-2003 23:42									#39
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I hope not - what if there is only eternal hell after death

	03-04-2003 02:27									#40
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Considering that none of us have died and been resurrected, we cannot really have this argument. There are those that have faith based on their particular religious and spiritual beliefs, and there are those that don't really understand faith, and so will not attempt to make judgments on that which we cannot possibly know.

I am the latter. There are too many religions out there and not enough evidence in favor of any of them for me to put my faith in one. So instead I say that because I have found no evidence that there is an afterlife, I do not think that one exists. But I cannot know until I die.

Oh, and nice argument Sloww. You could, of course, attempt to explain to us poor humble atheists and agonstics what the soul is, but you choose instead to just believe that we are stupid, thus perpetuating our ignorance and preventing our entrance into the kingdom of god. Jesus would be proud.

	03-04-2003 02:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I am an Atheist, but I do beleive in an afterlife. The evidence for the existance of ghosts is very good. I think that the electrical signals in your nervous system have to go somewhere, they cant just dissappear, that violates the conservation of mass and energy.

Well when you lose your body, wouldnt you lose the container that contains the charges in a certain way that makes you, you?

quote: ok, when one person becomes two in the womb they are assigned seperate souls. now, if there was a matter duplication device (or a malfunctioning transporter ala star trek), and i walked into it, and two of me walked out, would we have two distinct souls?

Scientifically, wouldnt you be 2 seperate person (just extreeeeemely alike) and since seperation, you are starting to develop uniquenes, because two person cannot occupy the same space, and experience exact same enviornment as a result.

	03-04-2003 05:06									#42
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As for me.
I most certainly look forward to my flesh falling away, and getting my new body without sin or imperfections.

I look forward to eternal life.

monkspider:
I'm not sure who you refer to.

	03-04-2003 05:10									#43
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 As for me. I most certainly look forward to my flesh falling away, and getting my new body without sin or imperfections. I look forward to eternal life. monkspider: I'm not sure who you refer to.

I was referring to the people who voted for not believing in an afterlife of course.

	03-04-2003 05:43									#44
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Of course. They may have similar personalities, and identical appearances, but they are individuals. Or do you suppose to tell me that identical twins NEVER DISAGREE?

If two twins try to kill the other are they agreeing or disagreeing?

	03-04-2003 05:55									#45
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I think the "afterlife" could perhaps be explained by a series of impulses/images/'thougts'/whatever that flash through one's brain at the time of death. Now, we all know how dreams aren't in real time... That a dream usually lasts for only a few seconds, but can feel like hours, days, what have you... So could the same not be said for the afterlife? A few seconds worth of impulses in the brain could feel like an eternity of heaven (or hell?) in the mind...

But I think true enlightenment probably comes from being happy when you die; happy, that is, that your withered body will become sustenance and nutrients for bacteria and what-not. That'll be tough, though...

	03-04-2003 06:44									#46
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--"I refuse to believe that I can cease to be."

And religious people call atheists and agnostics arrogant

mono no aware.

--"Atheists can't grasp the concept of souls."

Not agreeing with the concept isn't the same as not grasping it.

--"I look forward to eternal life."

Which is a position I've never understood. Eternal life would be incredibly boring. That's why I used that last tagline.

I should probably add that I was brought up in quite a religious family. Spent a couple years in a parochial school, spent many many years in church and Sunday School. Doesn't mean I swallow that nonsense, or reject it out of ignorance.

Wraith
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-- Duckman

	03-04-2003 06:52									#47
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Wraith - tain't braggin if it's true! I'm too good to not 'be'! And for the record I've never called agnostics arrogant. Cautious, yes, but I consider that to be a compliment.

I don't look forward to eternal life, really I'm enjoying it right now. I sincerely believe that my soul has always existed, and will always exist. I'm not bored so far.

	03-04-2003 07:02									#48
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After the body has died, the soul survives and is judged by the angels. The wicked are condemned to spend eternity in hell in seperation from God. The just are saved by God and spend eternity of heaven.

	03-04-2003 07:05									#49
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"Heaven - heaven is a place... where nothing - nothing ever happens"
-Talking Heads

	03-04-2003 08:12									#50
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I refuse to believe that I can cease to be. I just find it impossible. My body has an expiration date - I do not.

Ugh. You are your body and your body is you.

This reminds me of the bull in Feet of Clay who thought that there were two of him because his eyes were on the opposite sides of his head.

I am an Atheist, but I do beleive in an afterlife. The evidence for the existance of ghosts is very good. I think that the electrical signals in your nervous system have to go somewhere, they cant just dissappear, that violates the conservation of mass and energy.

Sounds fair. How does "they go into worms" strike you?

I suspected for quite a while that you had no heart...

If you ***** me, do I not bleed?

	03-04-2003 08:27									#51
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The MATTER goes into the worms remember that our nervous system runs by electric impulses and my hypothesis is that the impulses remain as a unique "tune" of wavelenths as the electromagnetic radiation leaves the body.

	03-04-2003 09:04									#52
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Poor analogy, St. Leo. And for that matter, I've read feet of clay.

As Burroughs said: "Time to look beyond this rundown radioactive cop-ridden planet".

	03-04-2003 09:06									#53
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--"And for the record I've never called agnostics arrogant."

Well, I did smiley it. It was mostly a joke.

Still, I have seen that sort of commentary from others.

--"The wicked are condemned to spend eternity in hell in seperation from God."

I need to look up that story about the proof about whether hell is exothermic or endothermic. Thanks for the reminder.

Wraith
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	03-04-2003 09:41									#54
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I believe that at death, one simply ceases to exist... its really a suck ass thought, and i fear death because of it. I never want to die, because i odnt want to not exist ( ). I wanna live! Too bad im all but convinced on the non-existance of an afterlife, and that I, like all life, will merely cease to exist, hopefully fullfilling my point to life (reproduction and goodness willing, lots of it ) before my end comes...

	03-04-2003 09:44									#55
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quote: Which is a position I've never understood. Eternal life would be incredibly boring. That's why I used that last tagline.

Maybe after the first milennium or so. Then I might get bored. But I will still be up a milennium more than otherwise.

	03-04-2003 14:40									#56
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Energy cannot be destroyed. It can, however, be reshaped ...

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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael Considering that none of us have died and been resurrected, we cannot really have this argument. There are those that have faith based on their particular religious and spiritual beliefs, and there are those that don't really understand faith, and so will not attempt to make judgments on that which we cannot possibly know. I am the latter. There are too many religions out there and not enough evidence in favor of any of them for me to put my faith in one. So instead I say that because I have found no evidence that there is an afterlife, I do not think that one exists. But I cannot know until I die.

Sloww - do you think that I can't grasp the concept of the soul because I dion't believe that I personally can make a judgement on what will happen because there is no way I can possibly know? Was that remark towards athiests, agnostics or both?