30-07-2003 20:18									#61
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Harry,

only joking

	31-07-2003 17:19									#62
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I took them from CTPI demogame:

President
Minister of Foregein Affairs
Minister of Domestic Affairs
Minister of Defence

Last edited by Pave on 31-07-2003 at 20:31

	31-07-2003 19:52									#63
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Looks like a reasonable list -- once we get going, we can have a few more positions -- Fleet commanders, Star System governers, etc.

	02-08-2003 01:24									#64
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Al right al right, I'll be lurking and demanding more Ships at any Time.

	02-08-2003 11:40									#65
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Okay, I'm in -- but I haven't played in any demo games, either.

	04-08-2003 10:54									#66
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I'm predicting right now that we'll use a huge galaxy and the ai will develop warp interdictors. Then this can go on forever.
I wouldn't mind adding my 2 cents to the game, but it won't be on a regular basis.

	17-08-2003 20:50									#67
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What exactly is a demo game?

	17-08-2003 21:05									#68
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MoO 2 (the latest and most technologicly advanced version of the MoO series) Democracy Game
1) Pave
2) Harry Seldon
3) GhengisFarb
4) Sharpe
5) bakalov
6) Whoha
7) Gilgamensch
8) Old n Slow
9) Main_Brain
10) The Mad Monk

Updated the Citizen list.

	17-08-2003 22:12									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What exactly is a demo game?

Not I know, but I think it is just a partnership type game. Where players vote on players to run differnet aspects of the game and what the settings are to be.
Then I am not sure of how it the game is played.
I think each player will play a certain number of turns, but I am only guessing.

	18-08-2003 09:54									#70
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Do they all play the same nation, and each one plays a different role, and those who don't get to play can vote?

	18-08-2003 10:10									#71
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I think we are all playing the same race as a team, but I am not sure. Hopefully the masterminds will log on MOnday and giveyou the scoop. I am just along to see how it is done, never tried it before.

	18-08-2003 15:07									#72
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OK, short description of a DG:

We are the citizen's. We are the power.
We decide upon the constitution. There we decide upon, how many ministers/president/whatever we will have and how we elect them. We decide with which race to play (various polls/threads about in this forum). We will all play as the same race, us

Let's say we have a president, 2 Ministers.

The President is playing the game, according to the instructions given by the citizens and the Ministers. This might work like:

The Minister is asking us, shall we put 2 farmers/ 2 workers/ 2 scientists? And this will be polled upon. If the majority is deciding against, the Minister better obeys the result. If he doesn't we will pull him to the court and the court and us will decide upon, what to do.

Does it give a better understanding?

	19-08-2003 20:39									#73
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What does the President do? Is he just some kind of robot?

	19-08-2003 20:49									#74
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Again that depends on us, what we want him to do and nothing has been decided yet.

	20-08-2003 18:38									#75
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The president plays the game.

Everyone else watches & comments. The comments and plans are shared & the president then executes them as well as can be done.

Clearly the president will execute the tactics (which ship fires first, which weapon suite is used first, -- at which target first, etc.) and will clearly not only be the hands on person, but most likely the most invovled person.

Ministers may be the next most involved -- by thinking about their areas of responsibility, they have an obligation to poll the citizens for advice (tech research path, "what tech next", production pipeline, what/when to rush buy, where to explore, etc.

We, the assembled citizenry, have the responsibility to be involved and seek out decisions as well as participate in them.

Yes, the game can go "slowly", but it is different in watching a game played out in detail.

Once we get this up and running, we can see if there is sufficient interest to carry on other activities, maybe a comparison game or a "Game of the Month".

	20-08-2003 18:52									#76
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Gilgamensch & all,

We may want to set up elections soon -- my thinking is that if we choose to elect a president & ministers (lets say in a week or two) then we can have the 'nit' decisions explored at that stage & move out.

Also, we'll need a de facto leader at some point to clarify the decisions made so we can move on where appropriate.

We've agreed to play with version 1.31

As I see it We've decided on a President & two Ministers for now with the option that a majority of the citizens can exercise power by setting up judicial powers if need be.

So far, we have the game settings as;

Mineral Rich
Random events switched off
Anti's on
in a huge Galaxy.

(Still need the start -- Pre-Warp, Ave, Advanced?)

It looks like we've decided on a custom race with 14 points as the creative subbies, with six points yet to be allocated and 10 points of dis-ads (with a strong leaning towards repulsive so far) yet to be confirmed.

Can we use this tread for the confirmations of decisions rendered? Then we can set up separate posts for future decisions.

	20-08-2003 19:11									#77
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I am thinking of asking Michael or Mark to have 1 thread toped in which we can post the links to the important threads, including information and so on...........

And you fairly well understood the principle of a DG

	21-08-2003 09:31									#78
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That's good, otherwise we'd all be confused

	27-08-2003 22:36									#79
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Hey guys, where do we stand on this? I've been out for about two weeks now; can someone recap for me?

	28-08-2003 05:11									#80
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We've decided on mineral rich,huge,8 players, impossible, no random events,tactical combat on, antarans on.

the government poll is a dead heat between dictatorship and unification, I voted for Feudal and would like to now switch that to unification, so that the race looks like uni/sub/creative/repulsive/-ship def/-gc

	28-08-2003 19:29									#81
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I voted Feudal as well but I like dictatorship better. For the sake of getting this game on the road, I'll swing with uni.

	28-08-2003 20:12									#82
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Looks real good to me -- the only game decsion left I can think of is which picture to look at (ie which race will NOT be against us) -- Any preference or left up to the Prez?

Of course for pictures to look at, maybe GenghisFarb can work his magic...

	28-08-2003 22:54									#83
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Silicoid,Sarka,Human,Darlock,Mssrhan, or Elerian will probably be the choice.

Silicoids and sarkas expand like a damned virus in a mineral rich huge galaxy.

If the humans get framed they can easily convince everyone to declare war on us(I really hate that where trading partners are getting 300bc/300rp a turn from me and they just drop that for war,but that doesn't look to be much of a concern.) Also if we pick human, their benefits are poor so we increase the odds of getting the bugs,meklar,etc as good slave workers.

The darlocks stealthyShips attribute will be quite annoying, the cats also pick that, and have the early attack attributes.

As for elerian, I bow to the eternal wisdom of Zaph Branigan "Now thats a wave of destruction that isn't hard on the eyes!". Plus they have the same deal as the humans, their boni aren't that great as captured workers.

The others will likely be peaceful traders, or good slave races like the bugs and meklar. The psilons in particular we can conquer tech that they got but we didnt, and they make great researchers, something our unification government will want a lot of.

	08-09-2003 19:06									#84
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Silicoids and sakkra are the best slave races, and it is easy to conquer them. It is true that they expand but the more they expand the more slaves we will have :-)

	08-09-2003 23:25									#85
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Is everyone ready for elections? Let get this show on the road!

	09-09-2003 18:56									#86
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If someone can figure out how to get the pictures in the game I would be more than happy to make them. I would like to choose Darlock as our portrait and replace it though as they are the most irritating of opponents.

	09-09-2003 20:02									#87
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I hate Darlocks. I was they'd all JUST DIE!!!

	11-09-2003 15:32									#88
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Sorry gent's that I wasn't available earlier. I was on a business trip and had no access to the web. I am just catching up.............

	13-09-2003 06:59									#89
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Damn, forgot about this -- where are we now?

	14-09-2003 11:29									#90
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I think we decided on a dictatorship for government, huge galaxy, prewarp technology, eight opponents, on Impossible. I'm not entirely sure but I believe we reached a consensus on using the Darlock picture for our custom race and now we're trying to narrow down the last few picks.