09-04-2003 09:41									#31
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Asher, get your butt into army and find out .

	09-04-2003 09:43									#32
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Come on! Where are all the supposed pros when you need them?

Pekka's the closest thing we have to an expert on the US military, and his only experience is with the Nazi cheerleaders in the Finlandish Army...

	09-04-2003 09:43									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Asher, get your butt into army and find out .

In Canada, we use M2s and M3s.

M2s are 18.5kg, M3s 12.5kg: http://www.caf.itgo.8m.com/army_30.html

	09-04-2003 09:43									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Are other NATO countries moving toward the same change?

Canadian soldiers have weapons?

	09-04-2003 09:44									#35
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No, but we're not really a country either.

	09-04-2003 09:47									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Why not just carry the launchers in the humvee then? Better there than taking up space on your rifleman's back.

Once again, the doctrine behind this weapon is = never being caught w/o anti-tank capability. So you're supposed to have it with you wherever you go.

	09-04-2003 09:49									#37
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I was responding to Asher's suggestion that perhaps the rockets were all carried on the Humvee.

A weapon without ammunition is no good, unless you plan to club the tank to death.

	09-04-2003 09:49									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger No, but we're not really a country either.

The only part of Canada's military I find cool is the JTF2.

Unfortunately it's the part we know least about.

	09-04-2003 09:50									#39
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I find the guys in blue helmets the coolest.

	09-04-2003 09:51									#40
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I also think that it's shameful that peacekeepers who have died in action on duty are not honoured as war heroes by the government.

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I find the guys in blue helmets the coolest.

They do good work, but I don't find them the coolest.

One of my high school buddies did a peacekeeping tour.

	09-04-2003 09:55									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I also think that it's shameful that peacekeepers who have died in action on duty are not honoured as war heroes by the government.

If you're not in a war, how can you be honored as a war heroes?

	09-04-2003 10:02									#43
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Because when an organised group of people are shooting at you for belonging to a certain country's armed forces then you're at war with them. It might not be declared, it might not be a war between 2 sovereign countries, but it is a war, even if it lasts only an hour.

More peacekeepers have died from Canada than any other country, and more Canadian peacekeepers have died than have Canadian combat soldiers since Korea (by a factor of 10).

If they're in the military and die in combat then they are just as deserving of that title as any man who fell in WWII (or Afghanistan).

	09-04-2003 10:09									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Because when an organised group of people are shooting at you for belonging to a certain country's armed forces then you're at war with them.

If we are going to accept that assumption, I would posit that we are going to have to change how they are armed and the ROE they opperate under.

	09-04-2003 10:12									#45
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No, because most of the time their battles are fought without them knowing ahead of time that they'll be at war.

They're deliberately crippled as to how much firepower they bring with them. That's one of the reasons I have so much respect for them.

	09-04-2003 10:19									#46
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Probably one per squad is issued. The USMC does things a bit different from that Army (quite a bit different), so I'm guessing. Other grunts in the squad will carry extra rounds for those, and for the M249 SAWs as well.

What you hump in the Marines or in the "heavy" army is a lot different than what you hump as airborne or as a light fighter. Having or not having vehicles close by to support you, and the type and duration of operation you're engaged in makes all the difference.

	09-04-2003 10:27									#47
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How big is basic group? 6, 8 men? I figure if it's 6 men, 2 men would have those with them, as it takes two to make the perfect ambush for tank.. both carrying bazookas, so that's my guess, two men in 6 men group (also if the first one misses, they can make corrections and take it out with the second, one is look out, one firing, after that change roles and do the same) and then being ready to kill all the guys possibly coming out of the tank. This is one basic model to take out tank, but there are many so I don't know what marines for example prefer to use. If possible, the rest of the group is taking some distance to the other two, so that if they fail to disable the tank, they won't be all getting it from the tank, and also to make better effect with their assault rifles to guys getting out of the tank, or possibly covering the tank. So my guess is two guys in group, they could form 'bazooka team' in it, secondary mission being taking care of tanks or armoured vehicles. But these are only guesses, 0% fact.

	09-04-2003 10:30									#48
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quote: Does every US soldier now carry a bazooka/RPG launcher or whatever? They all seem to have a tube strapped to their back ...

Nope, they all have a packet of Pringles with them...

	09-04-2003 10:31									#49
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Or arrows.. you never know when you have to go back to basics..

	10-04-2003 00:01									#50
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are you talking about these things?

This is an AT4 and it weighs 15lbs...

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	10-04-2003 07:40									#51
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That's actually the tailpipe from my Civic.

Get it straight!!!