20-04-2003 03:09									#31
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june exams - mid august army.. you got your schedule full.

will try to get it there despite the numerous odds that are bound to be on my way . it will approx. be one week.

	20-04-2003 03:13									#32
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there is a nice juicy two months of nothing between them.

	20-04-2003 03:24									#33
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ANYWAY....................


back on topic.

	20-04-2003 03:30									#34
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there's a topic?

	20-04-2003 03:33									#35
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Paik - talk to me too. I'm all for meeting a fellow fuzz... greek

	20-04-2003 03:51									#36
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fellow fuzz...greek? is this a code name operation for some sinister middle east attack plan?

will do

	20-04-2003 05:00									#37
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Hmm, nothing on this on any of the real news agencies.

The suspicious cynic might suggest that it is merely a ploy to deflect attention from the latest Israeli massacre...

	20-04-2003 05:02									#38
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quote: The suspicious cynic might suggest that it is merely a ploy to deflect attention from the latest Israeli massacre...

"Cynic", of course, being a codeword for "anti-semite".

	20-04-2003 05:05									#39
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No, but "Drake" seems to be a codeword for "intellectually challenged"

	20-04-2003 05:06									#40
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For the grown-ups:

Please ignore the kid.

Does anyone actually have confirmation of this story?

	20-04-2003 05:10									#41
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quote: No, but "Drake" seems to be a codeword for "intellectually challenged"

You're the one spouting off the usual Jewish conspiracy theories, but I'm the "intellectually challenged" one.

	20-04-2003 05:15									#42
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"Jewish conspiracy theories"?

Yeah, right. So much easier to bleat your usual "anti-semite anti-semite" than actually engage your brain for two seconds, isn't it?

I pity you.

	20-04-2003 05:20									#43
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quote: The suspicious cynic might suggest that it is merely a ploy to deflect attention from the latest Israeli massacre...

This isn't a Jewish conspiracy theory?

You aren't fooling anyone by calling me "intellectually challenged". Your own words make my case for me. Thanks.

	20-04-2003 05:25									#44
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Sure, as long as the faked picture in the LAT is an aryan conspiracy.

Really hurts when someone on your side concocts a story and you fall for it, doesn't it?

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BTW, why would I be "fooling anyone"? You call your own shots.

	20-04-2003 09:13									#46
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Any "real" news agencies. Such as what? How is Jerusalem Post, for example, biased when it comes to factual reporting? Why would they report rumours and show them as facts? Why would they hide an Israeli 'massacre'? When was the last time such a massacre occurred?

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	20-04-2003 10:21									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed again? you know, as bad as the israelis can be, i honestly believe that arafat has to go if the palestinians ever want to have a strong diplomatic legitimacy again.

I agree. The only time Arafat will grant peace is when hell freeze over, or the Israelis are driven from Israel.

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quote: Any "real" news agencies. Such as what?

New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, CNN, Le Monde, Reuters, AP... You know, agencies with journalistic integrity. I'm sure there are some down under.

quote: How is Jerusalem Post, for example, biased when it comes to factual reporting?

Well, this seems to be a good example, doesn't it? A story of this magnitude (Abu Mazen quitting) would certinaly be reported by real news agencies. Not a peep so far.

quote: Why would they report rumours and show them as facts?

Because they are not catering to people looking for facts. They cater to people who want their prejudice confirmed.

quote: Why would they hide an Israeli 'massacre'?

Actually, "they" in this context refered to whoever posted this story. The logic is pretty simple: The valiant Israeli stormtroopers killed 5 innocent people. In order to avoid critism, let's draw attention to the awful evens in the PA.

quote: When was the last time such a massacre occurred?

Yesterday, depending on time zone.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/inte...al-mideast.html

	20-04-2003 18:17									#49
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quote: I agree. The only time Arafat will grant peace is when hell freeze over, or the Israelis are driven from Israel.

Question: what do you base this on? His negotiations that led to the end of the first intidafa? His Nobel peace price?

It couldn't be Sharons and Bush's propaganda, by any chance?

	20-04-2003 19:12									#50
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, CNN, Le Monde, Reuters, AP... You know, agencies with journalistic integrity. I'm sure there are some down under.

Umm... CNN... right...

quote: Not a peep so far.

I suggest you take another look, it's on Reuters and a number of other sources, including those you consider to have "journalistic integrity", if you had bothered to take a look.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu His negotiations that led to the end of the first intidafa? [/qb]

Nonesense. The first intifada had already been waning and was all but over by 1991, two years before Arafat
became an issue.

quote: His Nobel peace price?

Like that means anything...

	20-04-2003 21:35									#52
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Because every time the peace process is just a signature away Arafat changes his mind. He does not want Israel to survive. He hates Israel, and if you can not see that, I don't what to say.

	20-04-2003 23:22									#53
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Heck, I still remember that Mubarak had to persuade him to sign the peace accords back in the 90s.

	21-04-2003 06:32									#54
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Here's a BBC link for Cyber. Just heading off any conspiracy theories about CNN being an American company and therefore under the control of the evil Jews.

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Drake, Edan... I might be more inclined to believe both of you except ALL of the links you posted said that Abu Mazan THREATENED to resign, not that he resigned at all. They are apparently meeting on Wednesday to hammer out disagreements.

Please, both sides, stop spreading misinformation. Like we don't have enough of it already .

	21-04-2003 10:06									#56
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When did I ever claim that Abu Mazan quit?

	21-04-2003 10:07									#57
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Hmmm, so when does the next israeli PM get assasinarted due to moves towards peace? It would be really interesting to see Sharon shot by some right-wingers for being a pacenik..ome sort of uber-cosmic irony.

	21-04-2003 10:08									#58
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The title claims he quits and Cyber was suspicious of such a claim (as was I, since no one reported such a thing), and you jumped all over him.

So if you didn't claim it, you sure were on the side that did.

	21-04-2003 10:14									#59
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The original article posted by Eli never claims that Abu Mazan had quit, just that he had stormed out and that it didn't look good. If you want to judge Eli's point solely by the title he chose, then be my guest. I prefer to judge it by the article he posted.

BTW, I jumped all over Cyber because of his ridiculous theory about this being an Israeli conspiracy to cover up a "massacre", not because he was skeptical.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Drake, Edan... I might be more inclined to believe both of you except ALL of the links you posted said that Abu Mazan THREATENED to resign, not that he resigned at all.

None of the articles said that he quit - including the original article (which Gnu refused to believe because it didn't come from a "real news agency" ) It had merely stated:

quote: Palestinian officials tried to convince Abu Mazen, who returned home after leaving the meeting, to attend a central committee meeting at a later date. It is not clear if Abu Mazen has agreed.

At the time, it was not clear if Abu Mazen was going to quit or not. (indeed, it's still not clear that he won't)

Indeed, it looked as if there was a good chance that he would quit at the time the article came out, which was before they agreed to meet wednesday.