26-04-2003 18:39									#61
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I am, like many people here, less leftist in economic issues. I mean, there's no future in the Soviet economic model, for instance (sorry, Tass... ). OTOH... I'm very leftist when the matter is about human rights, minorities, wars and welfare system. I have to be, I live in a "country under development"...

	26-04-2003 19:49									#62
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Aro, what do you mean, leftist on human rights? I am a righty and am very strong on human rights. I consider being pro-democracy and pro-human rights to be a rightist position. At least that's where we are in the US today.

	26-04-2003 20:03									#63
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Left-wing, although not in a touchy-feely way.

	26-04-2003 20:07									#64
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I also care a great deal about human rights, contrary to what some may believe. And I am a righty too. And it is not always that leftists care about human rights.

	26-04-2003 20:41									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Aro, what do you mean, leftist on human rights? I am a righty and am very strong on human rights. I consider being pro-democracy and pro-human rights to be a rightist position. At least that's where we are in the US today.

Ned, you're more leftist than you think...
Seriously, it's really tough be a complete left wing or right wing nowadays. The world is very complicated...

Edit: typos, as always...

	26-04-2003 21:13									#66
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Fez,
Here in Brazil, the human rights has been exclusively a left wing concern. You know, we had a dictatorship till 20 years ago...
Anyway, I am more a humanist than any other thing. I believe in reason and intelligence to solve problems.
A little naive, isn't?

	26-04-2003 21:29									#67
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French...
And Communist.

The horror !

	26-04-2003 23:03									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor French... And Communist. The horror !

I always thought it would be the Horror to be a communist in America (thinking of McCarthy and Co)
Never considered France to be Anti Communist

	26-04-2003 23:07									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST I always thought it would be the Horror to be a communist in America (thinking of McCarthy and Co) Never considered France to be Anti Communist

France is not anticommunist at all. I'm just imagining a French communist would be the nightmare of any Yank

	26-04-2003 23:08									#70
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Che is a communist in America .

	26-04-2003 23:13									#71
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Leftist radical (anarcho-syndicalist).

	26-04-2003 23:21									#72
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Far right on many issues, left economical, and I used to be for the greens

My sister is an ultra liberal (Thatcher style) and she used to be a socialist....

Our mother must be so proud of us (she's a commie)

	26-04-2003 23:24									#73
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Hmmmm, I wonder.

	26-04-2003 23:26									#74
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August :
Family meetings must be sooooooooo lovely for you. I'm sure Christmas is always the time to rejoice and cheer together in your family

	26-04-2003 23:40									#75
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Well, most of the discussions at family meetings are between my mother and my grandfather. ( he thinks Hitler was great because he fought against the communists and he is against democracy )

	27-04-2003 00:05									#76
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Next time, please record the whole thing. The world must know !

	27-04-2003 01:40									#77
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quote: Originally posted by August Borms Far right on many issues, left economical, and I used to be for the greens My sister is an ultra liberal (Thatcher style) and she used to be a socialist.... Our mother must be so proud of us (she's a commie)

Umm, Thatcher shouldn't be described as a liberal...

	27-04-2003 01:42									#78
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That's right, she should be described as HOT SEXY WOMANBEAST!

Err...

	27-04-2003 01:42									#79
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RJ :
Do you Brits use the same terminology as the Yanks ? I thought "liberal" meant "free-marketer" everywhere in the English-speaking world except the US ? Am I wrong ?

	27-04-2003 01:43									#80
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Well, you know the 51st state of America...

	27-04-2003 01:44									#81
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I associate liberals with people who like free-markets, and social freedom. If thats anything to go by.

Thatcher was too authoritarian to be considered iberal.

	27-04-2003 01:45									#82
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She's liberal economically but usually the generalised term 'liberal' means a left-liberal.

	27-04-2003 01:45									#83
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quote: That's right, she should be described as HOT SEXY WOMANBEAST!

If that's Thatcher, what's Piia-Noora Kauppi?

	27-04-2003 01:49									#84
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Oh, great. Now you got me into my Pia-Noora fantasy again... the one where she tells me I've been a leech to society and then spanks me with a will on a million-dollar inheritance where 900,000 goes to the rich man and 100,000 to the poor man.

Then Tanja Karpela comes in and they mud-wrestle. Whee!

	27-04-2003 01:56									#85
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 I'm told I'm far-left but I just think of it as common sense. Me and Rush Limbaugh.

I'm told I'm far-right but I just think of it as common sense. So you see that your (or my) opinion of your (or my) opinion has no bearing on fact

	27-04-2003 02:07									#86
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really big crunch? I always ascosiated liberal w/ government intervention, universal health care, high taxes, welfare, etc...leading to socialism on the far left.

kinda odd to see it be polar opposite.

	27-04-2003 02:14									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Fez, Here in Brazil, the human rights has been exclusively a left wing concern. You know, we had a dictatorship till 20 years ago... Anyway, I am more a humanist than any other thing. I believe in reason and intelligence to solve problems. A little naive, isn't?

I am commonly associated with http://www.fnff.org on this forum.

We have had a dictatorship for more than 30 years from 1939-1975. The right wing is often associated with pro-Franco elements in the country which still exist.

I think capitalism and free market solves everything. And I always have thought this way. The freer the market the freer the people.

There are two systems:

Capitalism, or Coercion.

I do not believe in illogical universal health care, or dumb progressive taxation structures... or excessive welfare. None do good for any country.

	27-04-2003 02:17									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Fez The freer the market the freer the people.

Except for the poor people, of course.

	27-04-2003 02:21									#89
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The poor people are covered by the free market.

You cannot screw over the country for socialism or communism. Pardon my language.. but that is being blunt.

It just won't work.

	27-04-2003 02:33									#90
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But free markets left unrestricted eventually become monopolies as businesses eventually destroy the opposition.

The only way to keep markets free is by restricting big business.