01-05-2003 00:36									#31
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And as far as I have found out Audiocatalyst does not convert MP3s to WAV but only WAV to MP3s. But maybe I haven't found out how yet. But that's no problem at all since we have winamp.

	01-05-2003 00:38									#32
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Cross post. I have soundforge and a bunch of fairly high end programs for working with wavs.

Heres the program I found

http://www.webattack.com/get/mp3gain.shtml

"MP3Gain analyzes and adjusts mp3 files so that they have the same volume. The program does not just do peak normalization, as many normalizers do, but instead attempts statistical analysis to determine how loud the file actually sounds to the human ear. The changes MP3Gain makes are completely lossless, there is no quality lost in the change because the program adjusts the mp3 file directly, without decoding and re-encoding. "

	01-05-2003 00:39									#33
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I'm also boycotting winamp so I only use musicmatch right now.

	01-05-2003 00:48									#34
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OK.

Also would you say that soundforge is better than audiocatalyst?

I have to say I wasn't 100% happy with audiocatalyst but I didn't have anything else to compare it with.

	01-05-2003 01:42									#35
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AAC is really good. I ripped 3 of my CD's the other day and it sounds really good. Much better than Mp3.

	01-05-2003 01:55									#36
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By ACC you mean audiocatalyst?

Yeah perhaps it is good at that but in normalizing it missed one song out of 13

	01-05-2003 02:00									#37
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No I mean Dolby's new AAC format. Smaller files but better quality than Mp3.

	01-05-2003 02:19									#38
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Try CDEX - http://www.cdex.n3.net/

Asher told me about it. It works pretty well.

	01-05-2003 03:08									#39
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I like audio catalyst.

Agathon - where do I get the software needed to rip, encode, play and decode the aac format?

THe major minus is that no file sharing utility supports this.



I used to like 128 files, but then I got me some quality speakers.

Ever since I'm encoding all my files at a variable bit rate between 160 and 192.

I don't download above 160 quality though, since it's too large for my bandwiwdth.

	01-05-2003 03:33									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I like audio catalyst. Agathon - where do I get the software needed to rip, encode, play and decode the aac format? THe major minus is that no file sharing utility supports this.

Don't talk about file sharing piracy on here or you'll be on your way to Mingapulco. It isn't allowed to be discussed on AP for legal reasons (as I learned from the merciless one himself the other day).

Unless you have a Mac I don't know what you can use. If you have a Mac, itunes 4 supports AAC ripping from CD's (which is perfectly legal as long as you own the CD).

	01-05-2003 04:17									#41
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If you are on Windoze you are out of luck. Dolby did very good work to destroy all free encoders.
There is some work to create AAC encoder without Dolby interference, but it is in progress and would take around one and half year do do properly.

This is one of reasons why I would do my format. Then again don't expect too much CD rippers are too low quality to support my format. I would like to have half hour of sound one third of length of AAC file full 32 bit and 6 chanel sound. See, you need something like ogg.

	01-05-2003 05:34									#42
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Agathon - I didn't mean actual links or something.

I just wondered if such tools exist anywhere and their names.

And what's the problem of sharing mp3 /aac files of myself singing?

	01-05-2003 06:03									#43
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Agathon, there is nothing wrong with discussing this. The RIAA scum may think they own the world but they dont, nor can they control legitimate use of encoding/ripping programs. The mods and owners here know the difference.

	01-05-2003 06:11									#44
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quote: if such tools exist anywhere and their names.

FAAC two years old not properly implemented.

	01-05-2003 07:25									#45
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Agathon, there is nothing wrong with discussing this. The RIAA scum may think they own the world but they dont, nor can they control legitimate use of encoding/ripping programs. The mods and owners here know the difference.

I agree, it's just that the mods here are touchy about piracy being discussed. I got warned about this the other day. We have to be careful to make sure we don't post anything that is seen as encouraging piracy. Don't take my word for it, ask Ming.

I don't know what Windows programs there are for encoding AAC. I only have itunes 4 and have had it for a couple of days.

	01-05-2003 08:27									#46
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I don't encourage anyone to do it. Neither do you. I was asking you about technicalities of using certain technology. That's it

	01-05-2003 08:28									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I don't encourage anyone to do it. Neither do you. I was asking you about technicalities of using certain technology. That's it

Well I don't on here anyway.

	01-05-2003 08:48									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon We have to be careful to make sure we don't post anything that is seen as encouraging piracy. Don't take my word for it, ask Ming.

So true... So true...

	01-05-2003 17:48									#49
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Try CDEX - http://www.cdex.n3.net/ Asher told me about it. It works pretty well.

OK I got it and will try it.

Asher gaveme some good computer advice in the past, hopefully he knows about this things too

	01-05-2003 17:51									#50
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160 or 192 is my preferred quality. There is a difference if you have nice speakers.

	01-05-2003 18:04									#51
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Hey but sound forge is the all time best right?

	01-05-2003 18:18									#52
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I'm not sure if its 'the all time best' but sound forge is a high quality program for doing sound file (wav) manipulations. I started using it when I was digitizing my old LP's and tapes. It allows you to do all kinds of professional sound recording and editing, most of which is way beyond what I need.

	01-05-2003 18:18									#53
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How does it perform in normalizing?

	01-05-2003 18:24									#54
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just do the at 128. You hardly need anymore than that. really.

	01-05-2003 19:26									#55
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I think it works well. When I first started converting my collection thats what I did when the wav's needed a lot of cleaning adjusting etc. With soundforge you can look at the entire wave in as much detail as you need and adjust everything add tracks etc.

In my case, though, I just cant see converting my already existing MP3's to wavs then individually normalizing them since with any program it would take too long. Plus a single MP3/CD converted to wavs would use around 7-8 Gigs of space. Its gotta be an automated method. I'll probably give those programs a try this weekend since I need to burn some MP3/CD's.

	01-05-2003 21:27									#56
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gave cdex a try. The problem did not resolve. That file simply refuse to be pumped up.

I tried it in Nero's wave editor, increased the volume there and then it did play louder, but just a bit, but it came out all distorted, almost unhearable.


Still CDEX is better than my previous combination of winamp and audiocatalyst since it can do both jobs at once = convert and normalize. (as many files as you want).

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How big is the file? If it's less than say 8 meg. send it to me and let me have at it. bigmikeh@imap3.asu.edu

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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike How big is the file? If it's less than say 8 meg. send it to me and let me have at it. bigmikeh@imap3.asu.edu

Thanks I'm afraid I won't be able to do that before Tuesday at the earliest (a bit of a complicated story) so will send it to you then

	02-05-2003 03:05									#59
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It's around 3 MBs BTW.

	02-05-2003 17:45									#60
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Cool Edit Pro 2 is IMO way better than SoundForge and more professional.

It's also very easy to use and has tons of presets.

From what I read in electronic music magazines, it's considered one of the top begginer's tools, especially for clearing pops and sound.