19-05-2003 05:38									#31
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower Beware what you rush comrade, I will not tolerate another leningrad sea port

Yes Comrade Marshall, I did leave over a hundred rubles! Comrade Grenski and I shall discuss this.

But you must admit if we are going to attack we should follow with some defensive troops.

	19-05-2003 16:58									#32
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I don't know how much we get from taxes, we should make sure that 100 rubles is enough to cover all expenses for next month!

	19-05-2003 21:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 I don't know how much we get from taxes, we should make sure that 100 rubles is enough to cover all expenses for next month!

Obviously it isn't. I need to Talk to Comrade Grenski about this.

	19-05-2003 22:27									#34
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We must find the money somewhere. Have him search the houses of some of our Capitalist "friends" here in Moscow

	19-05-2003 23:28									#35
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Remember, most cities are most likely running a deficit, we probably only get back into the plus after Caucas cities like Baku are counted.

	20-05-2003 00:10									#36
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The freight that arrives in Baku next turn will probably give us enough funds to counter the deficits of the other cities, plus we get a one turn bonus, which is most of the time in Baku quite high

	20-05-2003 00:54									#37
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Before you guys get ahead pf yourselves the priority ought to be establishing these three trade routes:

Baku-Grozny
Grony-Maikop
Baku-Maikop.

With the high rade in all three cities the one turn bonus will be very high (sometimes above a thousand!) and the monthly trade addition will also be enormous.

I will discuss with comrade Grenski

	20-05-2003 01:02									#38
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I homed them to the UK. The distance also counts. I don't know which route will be the best, but maybe it is: Baku-UK ?

	20-05-2003 01:13									#39
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Distance and size of the city play a big role, so I think we should leave it UK-homed, and let it arrive in Baku. We will get a lot of money (likely as much or even more then Baku-Grozny) AND we get it the next turn, while sending it to Grozny will take some extra turns! We need the money now, we can always make the other traderoutes during summer, when movement is better (and when we get transports in Ashkabad)

Just my opinion though.

	20-05-2003 11:32									#40
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I usually leave mine homed to none. If a none trade unit initiates a route it'll result in the city trading with itself and thus getting two routes at once...

	20-05-2003 18:10									#41
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Henrik is right, NONE homed trade convoys will get the city to trade with itself, which is good! Will our first convoy be able to go from Baku-Grozny next turn? (we need the money soon!) I expect hat would be more profitable than UK-Baku although I'm not sure.

	23-05-2003 05:14									#42
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What are your plans for May, I belive an attack on Kholm and Veki is possible with inf attacking veki first(4 mv rate) and when thats taken attack kholm with remaining inf and then tanks following up to finish off/reinforce.

If you can do this we'll have a straight line front you and me.

	23-05-2003 07:30									#43
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Sure that sounds fine, except the infantry would be attacking Velikiye Luki from a river square instead of a forest square, but I am open to suggestions and that sounds good. I will move in next turn I just wish I had those 4 reinforcements to use as well....

	24-05-2003 19:15									#44
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Offensive Success!

Both Kholm and Velikiye Luki were seized with minimal casualties and 7 German units were destroyed!

Kholm is in a very good position with many armored units and anti-tank defenses protecting the city.

However, Velikiye Luki has no anti-tank defenses and a large concentration of German units nearby and also is Size 1. On top of that reinforcements are not close and have no way to attack before ending their turn in the city. So it would be pointless to try and hold the city as it would probably be destroyed. So all improvements were sold off and 2 red guards are making a last ditch defense.

If anyone thinks Velikiye Luki should be held or has any suggestions how to do this, I'm open ears

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	24-05-2003 19:42									#45
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If it is only size one, and has no anti-tank defense, I would only let one RG, because when he is killed, the city will disappear, and we will lose a second RG for nothing. We should use this second RG to help defend an other city

	24-05-2003 19:54									#46
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC Offensive Success! Both Kholm and Velikiye Luki were seized with minimal casualties and 7 German units were destroyed! Kholm is in a very good position with many armored units and anti-tank defenses protecting the city. However, Velikiye Luki has no anti-tank defenses and a large concentration of German units nearby and also is Size 1. On top of that reinforcements are not close and have no way to attack before ending their turn in the city. So it would be pointless to try and hold the city as it would probably be destroyed. So all improvements were sold off and 2 red guards are making a last ditch defense. If anyone thinks Velikiye Luki should be held or has any suggestions how to do this, I'm open ears

Even if Velikiye Luki is destroyed that means it cant be a location for the Germans to spawn. we can always build another city later so good job!

And you can thank me anytime you want for scrounging to get you the units.! Whne we work together great things happen!

	24-05-2003 20:07									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik I usually leave mine homed to none. If a none trade unit initiates a route it'll result in the city trading with itself and thus getting two routes at once...

Yes, but IIRC the one time bonus will be a lot less, if the city trades with itself. A Grozny-Baku route will be more profitable to deliver, and it will give 2 routes at once... just to 2 different cities. Practically speaking, this should be just as good as getting 2 routes to one city.

The real issue is, when do we need the money? RIGHT NOW, it looks like. Making a trade route Grozny-Baku will take an extra turn, the Convoy unit can't move all the way between the two cities due to the slower road movement rate in winter.

So, I would say deliver it UK-Grozny or UK-Baku, which should give a great bonus (which we need more than the ongoing trade routes, right now) and then in summer, focus on creating ongoing routes among Baku/Grozny/Maikop/Tblisi. Later on in the game, we can even create some routes between the big 3 caucasian cities and Moscow/Leningrad/Stalingrad... and once those cities start to celebrate, that's when we build Civilian Donations in one of them.

	25-05-2003 00:34									#48
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Six Thousand Year Old Man makes a cogent point, Non-trade routes are a waste. Why not get twice the per-turn arrow bonus for such a small wait?

	25-05-2003 01:18									#49
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Without giving it all away right now the priority is UK to Baku/Grozny and Maikop.

For the first three we get twice the initial rubbles and half the long term trade arrows.

The next three units (numbers 4 thru 6) will be Baku to Grozny, Grozny to Maikop, and Grozny to maikop. Those we decided to do second because first of all we need cash now. And in the summer it will be easier and quicker to set up trade routes between the three oil cities. By the time we are done all the oil cities will have three lucrative trade routes. For long term cash. (and science)

There shouldn't be any trading for a city with itself. That was before the Econ Minister and I figured out what the best deal was.

Lets discuss this further in the econ ministers thread. If need be.

	25-05-2003 01:35									#50
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Good job comrade Anzyakov! We should really start handing out medals, only the thought of them makes our commanders more effective Imagine what will happen when we really give them the medals. We would be in Berlin before the end of the winter

	25-05-2003 02:42									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 Good job comrade Anzyakov! We should really start handing out medals, only the thought of them makes our commanders more effective Imagine what will happen when we really give them the medals. We would be in Berlin before the end of the winter

potential members of the Politburo should not publickly discuss the usurping of the Marshal's power

	25-05-2003 04:58									#52
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Someone should try to post a picture of the entire front just before the summer begins, for a general overview.

Excellent job, comrade Anzac. How far away are we from Riga?

	25-05-2003 05:17									#53
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 How far away are we from Riga?

pretty far, it will be winter of 43-44 before we get this close again.

	25-05-2003 06:45									#54
	Great Work comrade Anzac Put an end to popups!

The victory at Velik has pushed the germans quite a way back this winter and given us a chance to hold some western cities beyond what was expected!

Now is the time for defence your cities should be building KV1's not Su-122's I would ask Htower to change these before the end of this turn as Kalin could build one before summers end.

I will support your front with a last attack north from Arzamas to clear a few more german tanks before summer.

Do you think you will pillage and roads leading to your front line cities (I would) esp north of demask (need 2 spaces I think)

Great work your success has protected moscow!

	25-05-2003 07:53									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 If it is only size one, and has no anti-tank defense, I would only let one RG, because when he is killed, the city will disappear, and we will lose a second RG for nothing. We should use this second RG to help defend an other city

One RG had to attack and clear the city (the one currently to the right of it) and one RG had to capture the city. Both ran out of move points. So I won't put anymore units into the city.

Yes, I guess switch from SU-122s to KV-1s, but where exactly did you say the roads should be pillaged, comrade?

	25-05-2003 09:42									#56
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I believe he means between Demyansk and novgorod

	25-05-2003 15:43									#57
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Is talking about handing out medals already usurping your power, comrade Marshal? The Poltiburo can discuss this and other matters any time! Remember we can send you on a holiday if you try to get us out of the picture

	26-05-2003 01:46									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 Is talking about handing out medals already usurping your power, comrade Marshal?

Yes it is, the power to hand out medals to the Commanders clearly resides within my domain.

quote: The Poltiburo can discuss this and other matters any time! Remember we can send you on a holiday if you try to get us out of the picture

We've already had one military coup, no reason why another, this time led by the Marshal can't happen

	26-05-2003 02:18									#59
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower I believe he means between Demyansk and novgorod

Shouldn't we keep that for lines of communication?

	26-05-2003 14:29									#60
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Comrade Marshal, we won't allow a military junta in this country! I strongly suggest to reconsider your words and apologize to the Politburo!