30-04-2003 06:32									#31
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there is stuff fcalled boonesberry varm wine and the like

it is crap wine even though it comes from bottles

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	30-04-2003 06:32									#32
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I'd have to agree with Spiffor a Gewürztraminer is an excellent wine to cut your teeth on. I while back I had a Gewürztraminer from Germany’s Rohr valley that was just heavenly plus the taste is rather mild so you shouldn't be put off by it.

I think someone else suggested it but buy a wine for dumbies book and do as Spiffor says and go to a reputable wine dealer. If they are good and want to earn a repeat customer then he'll take the time to talk with you and figure out what sort of wines you might be interested in. If you are lucky enough to find a wine merchent who has similiar tastes as you then don't EVER let him go because you have just found proverbial gold.

	30-04-2003 06:37									#33
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'the cellar' in the basement of the Alberta Hotel http://www.cellarwinestore.com/index.html has a first effort wine class for C$30 - that sounds like a winner.

	30-04-2003 06:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Bin 905 in Calgary (found on the web) looks pretty good as a store - you can probably call them for info on where they recommend going for tastings to learn about different wines. If you have a couple of friends that want to make it a regular thing, you can have tasting dinner parties where you try some different things - though I did that with some rugby guys and they brought some CRAP!!

That Bin 905 thing looks like it's quite the...professional wine store. I'm having flashbacks to a Frasier episode involving his wine tasting club.

That's probably something I'll keep in mind for when I'm older and have more disposable income, money is tight as college students so the wine tasting dinner parties will have to wait.

	30-04-2003 06:40									#35
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What's the name of plum wine? That is the only wine that I think has tasted good. Most of it tastes like chalk.

pchang is the master of wine, is he still around?

	30-04-2003 06:40									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture 'the cellar' in the basement of the Alberta Hotel http://www.cellarwinestore.com/index.html has a first effort wine class for C$30 - that sounds like a winner.

Hey, that's not bad!
Convenient location too.

	30-04-2003 06:40									#37
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Agreed! I got caught up in the (bin 905) website.

	30-04-2003 06:42									#38
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	30-04-2003 06:45									#39
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LA = plum wine!

pchang is a big fan of French wines, and quite knowledgable - but I haven't seen him around for a while.

	30-04-2003 06:52									#40
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Wow...impressive Spiffor

If you find that red wines have a too strong taste (that's my case), try pink wines, really (there are very honorable ones from Provence for example). What's more, they are not very expensive here (but they might be overpriced in the US )

	30-04-2003 06:55									#42
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Menlas, I've just noticed this in your sig :

quote: "yes the pope probably is a lefty. I'm not certain of that." - Dissident

It's a must for 'Poly quotes

	30-04-2003 06:57									#43
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Couldn't resist

	30-04-2003 07:09									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Greek Resina (aged in unaged pine so it gets a slight pine tar flavor),

A slight pine tar flavour? That's like saying Bush is slightly conservative.

Resina is definitely an acquired taste. The first time I was served it, I thought holy sh!t, the waiter is trying to kill us. It tasted like someone dumped a load of turpentine in it.

But now I love it. A greek meal isn't good unless there's resina with it.

	30-04-2003 07:24									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If you are an absolute beginner in wine, I'd advise you to start with sweet wines. Gewurtzraminer and Muscat de Rivesaltes are very sugary.

The Gewurztraminer from the Okanagan tends to be drier and spicier.

Asher: If you're in the Okanagan, head south of Penticton to Okanagan Falls and go to the Wild Goose winery. They make a fantastic Gewurztraminer. Nice and crisp, but like I said, very different from the European style (or at least I haven't found any European vintages that tasted like the Okanagan style).

Another tip is stay away from expensive wines. That way you never know what you're missing.

	30-04-2003 07:27									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Another tip is stay away from expensive wines. That way you never know what you're missing.

You're never gonna' hear better advice than that...

	30-04-2003 10:06									#47
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Wines For Dummies

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg...1907018-3101113

This is the book I meant. Check out the customer reviews.

	30-04-2003 11:37									#48
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Chateau d'Yquem & foie gras !!!

	30-04-2003 15:13									#49
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs If it comes in a box INSTEAD of a bottle...avoid like the plague.

nonsense. boxed wine doesn't taste any worse. And it's so practical.

	30-04-2003 15:39									#50
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It is often a good idea for beginners to stay away from the expensive wines, since they require an aquired taste. It's like asking someone who has never tried coffee for what they think taste better: coffee with lots of milk and sugar or extra-strong espresso. Or why not compare it to the Civ3-like evolution of starting at Chieftain and slowly working your way up to deity.

So start with the cheap and "friendly" wines, and when you feel you like to try a more refined taste, buy something older and more expensive.

	30-04-2003 15:54									#51
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Right, wine:

It's like grape juice that some ****er has left in a cupboard for too long, except industrially so. Tastes like crap- how can you drink something so clearly gone bad?

	30-04-2003 16:28									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Is Champagne actually a wine?

The Mad Monk should have an answer for this one.

	30-04-2003 16:30									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Right, wine: It's like grape juice that some ****er has left in a cupboard for too long, except industrially so. Tastes like crap- how can you drink something so clearly gone bad?

Knowing your musical tastes, MeatLoaf, Jr., I'm not surprised

	30-04-2003 16:34									#54
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meatloaf junior.

	30-04-2003 17:38									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Spencer - they have wine bars in B'ham??? (I actually might be moving your direction)

I havent seen one here but they may have one where Asher is.

Whereabouts?

	30-04-2003 17:45									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The Gewurztraminer from the Okanagan tends to be drier and spicier. Asher: If you're in the Okanagan, head south of Penticton to Okanagan Falls and go to the Wild Goose winery. They make a fantastic Gewurztraminer. Nice and crisp, but like I said, very different from the European style (or at least I haven't found any European vintages that tasted like the Okanagan style). Another tip is stay away from expensive wines. That way you never know what you're missing.

My favorite was Grey Monk Cellars, all the whites except the Riesling.

	30-04-2003 19:24									#57
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Another thing to avoid: cheap champagne.

It`s bad wine treated with a pinch of co2. Basically a fake, because it is impossible do make good, cheap champagne.

	30-04-2003 19:56									#58
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If you are not used to wines I'd start with New World whites. Easier to drink and appreciate than a 1982 Chateauneuf du Pape. I was never into wine until I came to cambridge and discovered that at the dinners here you are supposed to bring a bottle of wine (yes each ) . Lighter red wines such as a Shiraz or Merlot are quite nice with red meats.

I generally go for Aussie of South African wines because I find they have a better price:quality ratio than the French.

	30-04-2003 19:57									#59
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boycott France!

	30-04-2003 20:03									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Daz Another thing to avoid: cheap champagne. It`s bad wine treated with a pinch of co2. Basically a fake, because it is impossible do make good, cheap champagne.

Absolutely. Cheap Sparkling wine is better avoided too. Its taste can be correct, especially for a beginner, but it very often gives head- and stomachache, and quench you thirst for alcohol for the rest of the evening (i.e you won't want to drink better wines after).