03-05-2003 20:43									#31
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Zkribbler: Excuses, excuses, excuses.. Clinton didn't do squat.

And Bush led the country into recession? Since when? The slowdown came months before he went into office.

quote: and is in the process of giving us the biggest deficient in the history of humanity.

Actually no. The deficit was much greater in the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

Leftist lies.

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Clinton had a more sensible economic policy, based on more realistic expectations. He was helped out by efficiency and productivity increases thanks to technology.

The states are facing their worst economic outlook since the Depression-especially for education, but thanks in no small part to homeland security and other mandates handed to them. And Bush is still pushing for tax cuts...
sad

	03-05-2003 21:03									#33
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This is becoming pathetic... Clinton had a sensible economic policy? Since when?

This forum is in such a sad state.

	03-05-2003 21:08									#34
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Fez, why do you feel the need to pick fights with everyone who has a different opinion than you? Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you can't just state what you feel and leave others be?

You pick fights, get trounced and then cry that people are messing with you. Notice your very first post in this thread contained an unprovoked attack on another poster. I think you need to take MtG's advice:

"If you're going to leave, do it. If not, don't. No more of this "I'm gonna take my ball and go home" crap, though. Whoever said you need to grow up some is right. No matter who you are, no matter what you think or say or believe, there's going to be a couple of billion people who disagree with you, and a few of those might actually say it. Who cares? It's called life."

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	03-05-2003 21:25									#35
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tough question.

I like some things Bush is doing domestically. i.e. tax cuts. But i really fricken hate what he is doing internationally i.e. the iraq war.

Clinton... I guess i don't have strong feelings either way. I like the fact the budget was balanced, though the credit may go to the republican congress more than clinton. Of course Bush has screwed that all up.

No i don't give Bill credit for good economy in the 90s nor blame George for bad economy (or more accurately a "less good" economy today")

It is tough though because of the times. I was liking Bush before 9-11, but everything just went to hell after that. I can't entirely blame him either, what would any other American president do in the face of such a horrific attack on our nation?

I think i'm going to cast a reluctant vote for that damn Democrat bastard Clinton.

	03-05-2003 21:28									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Fez, why do you feel the need to pick fights with everyone who has a different opinion than you? Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you can't just state what you feel and leave others be?

I am not insecure in anything.

quote: You pick fights, get trounced and then cry that people are messing with you.

Wrong again!

	03-05-2003 21:55									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST Not American and I prefer Clinton. Why? Because Clinton respected other countries and international treaties, whereas George W. Bush gives a crap on them.

Ditto.

	03-05-2003 22:04									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Aro A man who plays saxophone is not bad at all.

Amen to that

Voted Clinton, being a non-American. He was intelligent, and apart from the sex scandel, his ideas were pretty good, IMHO. He may not have been responsible for the good economy, but at least he didn't wreck it, which is easy to do. He bailed out Mexico, helped the Irish Peace Process (somewhat) and apart from a small 'surgical strike', respected the UN and international community. In terms of domestic policy, he did far better than a tax cutting Republican would have done. But then, being slightly left of centre, American-wise, I would think that.

	03-05-2003 22:09									#39
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I view the sex scandal as a plus point. The only thing that Dubya has done that is half as entertaining is nearly dying from choking on a pretzel. At least Clinton had the good sense to get someone else to choke on his salty snacks.

	03-05-2003 22:22									#40
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quote: I view the sex scandal as a plus point. The only thing that Dubya has done that is half as entertaining is nearly dying from choking on a pretzel. At least Clinton had the good sense to get someone else to choke on his salty snacks.

I would congratulate Clinton on scoring, but being the most powerful man in the world probably makes it a lot easier, and being married gives it a lot more consequences.

quote: wow! some people really seem to belive that a weak currency is best for a country and a strong currency should be prevented.

I cannot believe I am saying this, but for once, I think Fez has a point. When exports need a boost, devaluing a currency can help dramatically. Look at the UK, we have too strong a pound, or at least, did for while, and it caused incompetativeness on the world markets. You don't need a weak currency, but a strong one is just as bad.

	03-05-2003 22:23									#41
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Bush respects and appreciates the armed forces. He doesn't let terrorists attack our ships and embasys, let alone skyscrapers, without striking back with an aim no less than destroying terrorism. You'll notice that his policys are bringing to justice terrorists that killed American military and civilians that commited their terror acts during Clinton's pathetic presidency, something Clinton never had the balls to do, though provoked repeatedly. Bush is doing Clinton's job which Clinton left undone for fear of upsetting the voters.

Now in the middle east the ******* regimes are more scared of the US than they are of the terrorists, and I'm into that. Payback pays off.

So I voted for Bush.

	03-05-2003 22:27									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Now in the middle east the ******* regimes are more scared of the US than they are of the terrorists, and I'm into that. Payback pays off.

I'm not, they should be scared of neither. I agree with removing the terrorists, I just get a little cloudy about who Bush thinks of as terrorists at times.

	03-05-2003 22:29									#43
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Clinton.

Bush: As a President of an English speaking country, he shouldn't give me the impression, that I speak his own language better than him.

	03-05-2003 22:42									#44
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yago, who gives a **** if he dousn't speak perfectly? He's actually a damn >>president<< for once, not a wimp with a title.

Drogue, why do you not prefer dictators to be scared?

	03-05-2003 22:45									#45
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clinton as a politician was complete dead weight. the only reason he was in office was to stay in office and all his decisions reflected that.

	03-05-2003 23:01									#46
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They're both bananas.

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The whole Bush stands tall and strong crushing terrorism arguement is a little hard to stomach since it was hardly a part of his agenda before 3,000+ Americans died and there was a major attack on the Pentagon. I'm pretty sure any president would have cracked a whole lotta heads, Clinton would have done it in such a way that we might still have much of the world behind us with full cooperation. I was in Britain after 9/11 for a year and it was amazing, EVERYONE said such nice things to me, "we're behind you all the way". Couple more months I had people coming up to me saying "What the **** is wrong with your president!"

I like to travel abroad without posing as a canadien so I have to say Clinton.

	03-05-2003 23:11									#48
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Clinton got my vote.

	03-05-2003 23:16									#49
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I would eventually say Clinton after much hesitation.

Clinton : a hypocritical liar who half-assed every initiative. Completely spineless. Unforgivable when it comes to social security and healthcare, since he actually gave hopes about them. Unforgivable in his foreign policies since he actually conduced wars of agression, with enough hypocrisy for the world not to react.

Bush : A bigoted moron who believes the US has to fight a 'crusade' for the 'good' (which obviously is his definition), and basically gives the whole world the finger, while doing poorly on the domestic level. BUT, he has the added value of accelerating America's downfall from its hyperpower status, which is always good in my book.

The thing that has swayed me in favor of Clinton is that the brainwashing, self-righteousness and self-serving bigotism wasn't nearly as high under him as under Bush. I cannot forgive Bush for trying to turn America in a nation of brainwashed zealots

	03-05-2003 23:20									#50
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**** you

	03-05-2003 23:25									#51
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"You disagree with me, that makes you the enemy. **** you!"

Lighten up for god's sake.

	03-05-2003 23:30									#52
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quote: Orignially posted by Spiffor [...]trying to turn America in a nation of brainwashed zealots

quote: Originally posted by Lancer **** you

Thanks for helping me proving my point

	03-05-2003 23:31									#53
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Too many people are lite around here already.

	03-05-2003 23:35									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Clinton ended the war in Bosnia, prevented genocide in Kosova, and installed democracy in Haiti.

I fail to see how those were any of our concern. What national interest was at stake?

	03-05-2003 23:53									#55
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Weren't you the ones who screwed up Haiti in the first place? My history is kinda fuzzy on that. Please correct me if I am wrong.

	04-05-2003 00:01									#56
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Weren't you the ones who screwed up Haiti in the first place?

I don't think so. Haiti seems to be more than capable of putting thier own dictators into power all on thier own, ex. Papa Doc.

	04-05-2003 00:24									#57
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I fail to see how those were any of our concern. What national interest was at stake?

America needs a little more humanity, don't you agree?

quote: **** you

Your too tight. Your even being trolled by someone who doesnt troll (openly)

quote: The whole Bush stands tall and strong crushing terrorism arguement is a little hard to stomach since it was hardly a part of his agenda before 3,000+ Americans died and there was a major attack on the Pentagon. I'm pretty sure any president would have cracked a whole lotta heads, Clinton would have done it in such a way that we might still have much of the world behind us with full cooperation. I was in Britain after 9/11 for a year and it was amazing, EVERYONE said such nice things to me, "we're behind you all the way". Couple more months I had people coming up to me saying "What the **** is wrong with your president!"

You will also note that there is a much more sizable connection between PAKISTAN and AL QAEDA or SAUDI ARABIA and AL QAEDA than there is between IRAQ and AL QAEDA.

quote: Drogue, why do you not prefer dictators to be scared?

Scared people react in many unpleasent ways.

quote: You pick fights, get trounced and then cry that people are messing with you.

Yes, and because he's not ANY good at trolling.....people just easily overpower him.

quote: This forum is in such a sad state.

Then why dont you leave it?

quote: And Bush led the country into recession? Since when? The slowdown came months before he went into office.

I remember watching TV and when the supreme court announced that there would be NO recounts......The Dow took a dive down by 1000

I still don't see how people don't understand that events have a VERY VERY large impact on the direction of the economy.

quote: Edit: By the way, the Guardian is one of the least credible sources you could used. They are famous for anti-americanism.

Fox news is famous for its "pro-americanism" jingoism.

quote: I had enough of these excuses and lies... obviously, none of you can respect my beliefs. And I shall not do so in the end.

Again Fez, leave. Stop threateneing to leave because in the end nobody cares.

If you can't stand the heat......then leave

quote: freedom did NOT suffer under W. how could I miss that?

Except for the patriot act? the homeland secuirty bill? Ashcroft saying he can hold illegal immigrants indefinately?

quote: By the way that third link is wrong. Bush isn't being unilateral.

Most of their populations have very little support for us, a lot of them need lotsa money so they've jumped onto the bandwagon to soak up the dollars......

Haven't you heard? Iraq will be divided up between US, UK................and................................POLAND!!!!

Well, I'll stop for now.......

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I'd definitely prefer Clinton.

The entire world was a much safer place when WMD stood for "Wetspot on Monica's Dress".

Besides, Dubbya has very little control of the presidency; that has been delegated to the hawks Bush Sr. kept under his thumb.

	04-05-2003 00:42									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky I'd definitely prefer Clinton. The entire world was a much safer place when WMD stood for "Wetspot on Monica's Dress".

Clinton

	04-05-2003 00:51									#60
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I prefer Bush because he doesnt care about Latin America, Clinton was all the time molesting us with that free market for the americas deal.