07-05-2003 02:23									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre Hohoho - Now I have depleted uranium! 3rd world people could steal anything. A friend of mine who was a UN soldier said a trooper from Senegal stole some light rods (I don't know the exact English word for them - 1 the meter long light bulbs). When they did not fit into the box he was sending home, he broke them in two pieces before he packed them!

Life must be grand when you are that stupid. I mean everything just must be absolutely wonderful.

	07-05-2003 02:27									#32
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If someone is ignorant, they dont have the facts.

If they are stupid, they cannot learn the facts.

These Iraqis are ignorant.

Nuff said.

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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre Are you saying you don't have stupid criminals in US?

I'm saying that this one takes the cake! He is by far the stupidest bastard I have ever heard of at least from a reputable news source; I'm not counting things like the Darwin awards though our young friend and his family are possible future contenders.

	07-05-2003 02:28									#34
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i dont think they are stupid, just willfully ignorant.

	07-05-2003 02:29									#35
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Of course we have stupid criminals in the US, Olaf. And we point & laugh accordingly. Heard the one about the thief who fell asleep at the scene of the crime? Or the burglar who didn't know the area very well, and kept wandering around near the crime scene until, several hours later, he was arrested by the cops who noticed him? Funny ****, and that's not even the half of it. Criminals are often stupid.

I'm not really laughing about this one, though, because though that may be tempting, the fact that this is ignorance as much as stupidity (Mutar excluded) and a bunch of ignorant people are probably gonna get cancer now. And that sucks.

-Arrian

	07-05-2003 02:29									#36
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quote: Originally posted by rah ................. I guess I don't put quite the absolute negative connotation to the word "stupid" as you do. .................

You're right.

Stupid: not intelligent or able to consider or judge things carefully.
© Macmillan Publishers Ltd. 2002

The "not intelligent" thing annoy me a little, I admit...

quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 If someone is ignorant, they dont have the facts. If they are stupid, they cannot learn the facts. These Iraqis are ignorant. Nuff said.

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Oerdin, I was referring to your comment about education level in Iraq and any possible links to this event. I think most criminals are less educated than the average citizen wherever they live.

	07-05-2003 02:33									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 If someone is ignorant, they dont have the facts. If they are stupid, they cannot learn the facts. These Iraqis are ignorant. Nuff said.

There is not knowing the facts and then there is having all the facts right in front of you but not having/using common sense to put one and one together. Someone who is that slow on the up take isn't just ignorant (though he is no doubt ignorant as well) but also STUPID.

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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre Are you saying you don't have stupid criminals in US?

What does that have to do with it. As others have said.
Yes we do, and we laugh and call them stupid too.

The taco bell employee that went back in to rob the store after his shift, he wore a mask to cover his face but was still wearing his work shirt with his name sown on.

Yes, I feel sympathy to those that were ignorant. But Mutar being confronted with the danger and had witnessed it from others, still would not understand.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid.

	07-05-2003 02:41									#40
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Sorry Rah, I did not read your first comment about rural Mississipi until now.

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quote: Originally posted by Aro You're right. Stupid: not intelligent or able to consider or judge things carefully. © Macmillan Publishers Ltd. 2002 The "not intelligent" thing annoy me a little, I admit...

Me too.

And since I play a lot of golf, and agreed to be a mod here, I'm quite familiar with stupidity.

	07-05-2003 02:53									#42
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I'm a cartoonist and journalist. I'm quite familiar with stupidity, too... and ignorance. Mainly from my editor, but also in interviews... You can't imagine what I've heard in 30 years in my profession.

	07-05-2003 04:22									#43
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Hmmm, I was referring to myself

	07-05-2003 05:31									#44
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Terrorists.

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quote: Originally posted by rah Hmmm, I was referring to myself

No, it's not true, oh powerful mod!!

But that golf thing...

	07-05-2003 09:50									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Rah, if you are living in the XVIIIth century, with nothing but the Koran to teach you how the world works - literally... Yep, you may do things like that. "Radiation - Keep Out" in Arabic, with armed guards, means "something valuable is stored in this place" in common language, if you don't have the background to understand it.

Iraq had the best education in the area, and the Ba'ath was a secular party. Really, I am pretty sure the people had a good idea of how dangerous the plant was.

	07-05-2003 09:52									#47
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you know, you would think the U.S. would be interested in protecting nuclear facilities. I guess all they are about are the oil wells

in any case it depends on what kind of nuclear plant we are talking about. If it is just a regular power generating facility most of that stuff that can be removed is not radioactive, or has little radioactivity.

	07-05-2003 10:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www How could these people not know if they lived so close to a nuclear power plant? I mean Iraq still had schools under Sadam, you cant tell me that they were that bad that should have know radiation is bad, and often takes a while to effect you.

People in Iraq knew not to ever question authority about anything. These are rural people living on dirt floors looking for something to hold water in, for God's sake - they don't even ****ing have plumbing, and you expect them to understand radiation and toxic risks? With the economic state of a lot of these people, a decent water container for free is probably like manna from heaven. Try living (or seeing) third world poverty and access to information before condemning them.

Hundreds of Iraqi government facilities had barbed wire, guards, and "keep your ass away from here" signs - so that's not new. The fact that the Iraqis were storing this stuff so accessibly indicates a totally lax attitude about safety, which only happens if/when people in contact with hazards have no idea how bad those hazards are.

UR - The Ba'ath may be secular, but a majority of Iraqis are not Ba'ath party members. And education was for the elite and the urban useful, not for the rural masses.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Iraq had the best education in the area, and the Ba'ath was a secular party. Really, I am pretty sure the people had a good idea of how dangerous the plant was.

You're right. But maybe not all over the country. Euros and Americans tend to think in uniform countries... But I live in Brazil.
Bagdhad and other few cities (probably the ones invaded or surrounded) seems to be modern places. But what about the small villages? See that description:

quote: Originally posted by rah ................................ "We didn't know," Haloul said as she breast-fed a 20-day-old daughter in her two-room home, a dirt-floor hovel where a couple of chickens roosted with the rest of her family. "We got the barrel right before the baby was born." ......................

I can't see good education in a place like that.

Btw, this happened in Brazil:

"On September 1987, the owner of a scrap iron store opened the canister from an unattended cesium bomb, in the City of Goiânia (Brazil). The radioactive cesium spread over a large area and many people were intensely irradiated."

"Hints about atomic power in Brazil
Joaquim Moura
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Subject: Hints about atomic power in Brazil
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Unfortunately, I am not very able to help you in relation to this topic, but
I can give you some starting hints:

First: do you know that the Western worst nuclear accident has occurred in Brazil, some years ago, when a group of poor people, from a poor neighborhood in Goiania, found a nuclear capsule with Cesio something, and as they didn't know anything about atomic radiation, they opened the capsule, tried to sold the luminous sand that they found inside it, and a young girl had even tried to taste a bit of it. Of course many of them are dead now, including the poor young girl, and many families are still suffering a lot. The government has already forgotten its responsibilities, so the original owner of the radioactive capsule (a x-ray clinic). The streets where those poor people lived had their grounds removed by huge machines, and all those tons of earth have filled hundreds of containers that nobody knows how to store safely...
......................................."

Here's the link .

Or do a google search with the words "Goiania", "Cesio" and "Brazil".

	07-05-2003 11:01									#50
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MtG, you said all.

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* Grrr wonders what else was stolen.
* Grrr wonders if any of this stolen material will be used in terrorist acts against US.
* Grrr wonders if the US was stupid not to keep an eye on material that could be used to make 'dirty bombs' in a country harbouring terrorists.

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	07-05-2003 17:03									#52
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Reminds me of the three iraqis found mauled by the dangerous animals @ the zoo.

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Who would be stupid enough to fill a small very densely populated country with nuclear reactors and not work out that there might be a porblem getting rid of all the nasty stuff when they got old.

Oh hang on a minute...

	07-05-2003 17:10									#54
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Wait a sec, IRAQ HAD A NUKULAR PLANT?

holy ****.

	07-05-2003 18:03									#55
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didnt israel blow it up?

	07-05-2003 18:16									#56
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Didn't the inspections say there aren't any?

	07-05-2003 18:23									#57
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nope. actually inspectors visited that specific plant.

	07-05-2003 18:48									#58
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and what did they say?

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not too sure what the inspectors said.

	07-05-2003 18:56									#60
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The Iraqis were not denied civilain and industrial uses of nuclear energy.