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I wouldn't call it an ability, or even paranormal - but if I'm in a bad mood and I flick a light switch, the bulb blows.
Personally I put it down to a negatively charged aura popping the bulb. And for for those who deny that auras (`biometric fileds`) exist, I suggest you pop the word Kirlian into a search engine.
It costs me a lot in light bulbs though when I'm having a bad day. Maybe I should invest in a box of candles for those occasions. Them again, there's the fire hazard to consider.
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Bookwyrm
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Kirlian Auras, you say?
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Living things...are moist. When the electricity enters the living object, it produces an area of gas ionization around the photographed object, assuming moisture is present on the object. This moisture is transferred from the subject to the emulsion surface of the photographic film and causes an alternation of the electric charge pattern on the film. If a photograph is taken in a vacuum, where no ionized gas is present, no Kirlian image appears. If the Kirlian image were due to some paranormal fundamental living energy field, it should not disappear in a simple vacuum (Hines). |
Article which quotes the quote I quoted
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Originally posted by tinyp3nis
I have an excellent bullshit detector. It's of the scale now.   |
So you're Finnish uh? You know, I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that **** fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Finns were spawned by frogs.
It's a fact. Finns have frog blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the French conquered Helsinki. And French are frogs. Way back then, Finns were like the wops in northern Europe. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the frogs moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much f****' with the Finnish women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Finns still carry that frog gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were frogs. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was f**** by a frog, and had a half-frog kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?
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Dr. A. Cula
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Well, I've had the occasional premonitory dream, but only about insignificant stuff. When important things came along, there was no dream that I could remember, but somehow I knew how they were going to end.
Also, things have the tendency to "go my way" most of the time. The rest of time, I seem to have streaks of unbelievably bad luck, when nothing seems to work, but even then I seem to end that chain of events to my advantage. For instance, in high school everybody (and especially the teachers) told me the best carreer I could possibly get would as unskilled construction worker, interpreting my unwillingness to study and lack of interest to get good grades as stupidity. I ignored them and passed the university admission exams on the top half of the list. I never bothered too much to study, yet I always knew I would get to university. After that, at university, I always knew when I was going to pass an exam, even when I didn't study for it.
After university, I went to hundreds of interviews, but in only one occasion there was this little nagging feeling that something was different about that interview. And I was right: 2 weeks later they called me to say I got the job.
About 2 years later, I went to work one morning with the distinct feeling that something bad was about to happen and just before lunch I was fired. That was in the summer of 2001, and until october last year I went through several jobs and was getting more and more desperate until I found my cuurent job. Again, just as I began the interview I knew I had some hope here and when I started working I got the distinct feeling that I was here to stay.
A lot of things seem to happend the way I want them to happen, even if I don't do anything in that direction. So far, I have been unsuccessful in 2 ways: getting rich overnight and finding a new girlfriend after the last one abandoned me last year when things seemed to go downhill. 
Still, the strangest paranormal experience so far happened some years ago: I was still in university and struggling to pass one particularly nasty exam. I even resorted to studying , but I just couldn't pass it. Fortunately, the professor was in a very good mood and allowed me to take it again and again until I passed. Now comes the strange part: a few weeks before I actually passed that exam, my grandfather died. I cared a lot about him, as I practically grew up in his house until I was about 6, since my parents were too busy building their carreers, so I was hit very hard by his death. I was especially sad because even as he was dying he was still worried about me and kept asking my grandmother to make sure I am well prepared for the next time I take that exam. When I finally took it, for 2 nights in a row I woke up at night from a dream where my grandfather was shaking my hand, and saying how glad he was about it. The even stranger thing is, I woke up because at some point in the dream I was going "But you're supposed to be dead!" and then I was awake. I wasn't scared, though, and all I could think of was that I needed to get back to sleep as he still had things to tell me. I still don't remember what he said after that, if he said anything, but from that day forward I was very sure that things will turn out for the better, even when they're going downhll.
Also, when I meet someone for the first time face to face I know (well, most of the times) what kind of person they are. For instance, when my sister said about 2 years ago that she was going to marry her then boyfriend, this little voice inside my said my head kept saying there was something wrong with that boy, but I ignored it and supported my sister in front of my parents. Their marriage only lasted 6 months, as she discovered other sides of his character that she just couldn't bear to live with.
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Grrr
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of Hamilton, New-Zealand.
Dec 2000
time: 18:27
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My main ability is deja vu and preminitions.
I will very often say totally random things, and in the presence of friends or strangers, they will often remember what I said and it's correlation to a major incident.
For instance, several weeks ago, I was talking with a couple of friends in a lecture, and mention that another friend should really get his car fixed (the car was perfectly good). Three hours later, he rings from the hospital ... car accident.
This morning, I randomly asked a friend 'where's your phone?'. I go to his house later in the afternoon, and it turns out his cordless phone had been stolen, ... and nothing else. - He was going to ring me.
Driving in my mates car a few months ago. ... I tell my friend on the back seat to put his seatbelt on, ... there was no seatbelt on his side of the car, he slides along, and just as he clips the seatbelt, a cattletruck comes around the corner, my friend who was driving spun out of control, and the car hit a powerpole at the exact point where my friend had been sitting seconds earlier.
When signing up for uni. I met with one of the old old lecturers, who said he remembered a boy several years ago who said that one day he'd be teaching him ...
Talking to my sister a couple of days later, she mentions that several years earlier I was in that same building with her, and that I had said exactly that to that particular professor.
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I also seem to sense an aura in places or items with past or future significance.
My parents being real-estate agents, I come into quite a few houses.
One house, which just wouldn't sell (it was UNDER PRICED, and had been on the market for 4 years), I came in there, and was absolutely certain there was something wrong with a particular tree ... where someone had hung themselves 150 years ago, and which had been covered up by the local church. ... after the owners had the place blessed, the property recieved 12 offers in one day!!!
At another stage, I went into the back room of a house, and spontaneously started crying, shivering and screaming. I fell to the floor in a spasm, and had a fit, until I was dragged out. The owner of the house had been publishing her fathers war diaries in that very room to be later published. I somehow picked up on all that emotion.
A shop in Cambridge ... they sell tribal art and stuff. My parents and I went in there at one stage, and in the upstairs room (or was it the basement) there was tribal art. That art exited an aura which made all three of us nautious, and exit the shop, without speaking. When we had left, we started talking about it ... those tribal figures ... there had to be something wrong with them.
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I never remember any of my dreams ... well, all but ONE.
The first time I can remember having this dream was when I was three, and I have had it recur many times since then.
In the dream I am young, we were out in the middle of nowhere for a reason I do not know. I can vividly remember the enviroment though, starting walking along a dark hedge, which looks like barbery but isn't. There is a track through the grass on the other side, a pair of hollowed out wheel tracks really, and I am wondering why we (there is a large group of scantily dressed people ... tramps) walking on this side, as quietly as possible through scrub.
This walking continues for miles, but at some point I am told to be really quiet. I heard a truck, and some people talking in a language I cannot understand ...
I then totally black out.
I am later running with someone who I theorise to be my mother, in hilly country. I am covered in blood, and so is she, she is also limping badly, and I cannot see her hand at all.
At some point she collapses, and tells me to go and find help. I run, and run, and run. I ran through kilometers of land, and eventually find myself unconciously running along that dirt road I mentioned earlier. I run accross a final hill, which has a large tree (looks like a birch) to my left, and a burning european stone farmhouse to my right.
I run to the farmhouse, somehow thinking there may be help there. There is no-one there, no-one anywhere, though outside one of the workers cottages (I think that is what it is) there is a large blood stained doll ... the face of which haunts me. (That face quite often comes to me during the day even).
I run down a farm track, along several fields, and come to a point where I can see several burnt out vehicles to my right; a rusty 1930's truck in front of me, and suddenly black out, and feel like I am crashing to the floor.
At that point I lie paralysed in bed, unable to do anything, everything is totally black.
When I am actually concious again the next morning, I have often found that I have smashed holes in the walls next to me bed, smashed items within reach of my bed, and woken EVERYONE in the house with screams and bangs.
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Richelieu
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Gatineau
Dec 2001
time: 00:27
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I see beautiful people.
Actually i see ugly ones too but i tend to look away when that happens.
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Cruddy
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Incredible. Put organic matter in a vacuum so it dies - and it suddenly doesn't have a biometric field.
That's like testing for brain death after you've cut someone's head off.
And if human beings don't generate eletro-fields - what do EEGs read? The New York Times?
BRAINWAVES - and what's one of them, then? Is the brain the only organ that produces and responds to electrical impulses?
One debunk attempt and you think "ah, that's all explained then".
There is no alternative to emperic, repeatable experimentation. The problem with the "paranormal", that is, phenomenom outside the explanation of science, is that it doesn't prove easy to unravel by these methods.
If you think science can explain everything - go and ask a botanist how a tree pumps so much water so high.
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Cruddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Urban Ranger
1) Humans do generate electric fields..
2) That just sounds like snake oil paddling to me.
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This was solved - long ago. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean science doesn't. |
1) I'm glad you admit it! OK, this probably isn't the psychic aura that mystics bang on about... but it is an uneplored area for science. The Kirlian, even if it is an incidental curiosity, at least gave the subject an airing.
2) (Sigh) Look, just by observing a phenomenom, you change it. Some areas of research like electricity, magnetism etc are much easier to research than human reaction and interaction.
3) NO IT HASN'T... at least not in full. Transpiration and capillary action are certainly involved, but they certainly cannot account for the amounts of water moved over the distance - they are too weak for the job. Don't try and fob me off with a teenage educational site - let's try an adult one, shall we?
Here's the link;-
http://interactive.usask.ca/ski/for...waterworks.html
Here's an extract;-
"The exact process by which water is taken up by plants against the force of gravity is not fully known. The most commonly accepted theory to explain this process is the cohesion-pull theory, which involves principles of osmosis, molecular cohesion, capillary action, and transpiration...."
Trying to get this post back on topic - I take the Arthur C Clarke view (a respected scientist as well as an excellent Sci-Fi writer). His take was that any advanced technology would be seen as "magic" by someone who didn't understand the principles behind it.
In other words, today's paranormal is tomorrow's science. I think it a much healtheir and scientific attitude to accept that paranomal (that is, unxeplained) phenomena exist while retaining a healthy scepticism to explain it by accepted theories.
It's much healthier than sticking your head in the sand.
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Bookwyrm
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originally posted by cruddy
Incredible. Put organic matter in a vacuum so it dies - and it suddenly doesn't have a biometric field. That's like testing for brain death after you've cut someone's head off. |
Possibly, but vacuum exposure is not instantly fatal (see links at bottom of post). I don't know what the tolerances for whatever Hines used are, or how long it takes to do a kirlian photograph, but I doubt he would have overlooked the fact that a field generated by a living thing would obviously vanish after that things' death. Also, even if the researcher did overlook this, this supporter of auras shows a picture of a quarter giving off an aura, and quarters are most definitely not alive nor are they even organic. The supporter claims that the auras produced by non-living things such as coins are in fact the residue of the auras of living things which touched them. If a non-living item can hold energy from a living thing that touched it, why can't a once living thing hold energy from before it died?
Although I suppose it is possible we will eventually find something which absolutely demands a non physical explanation, I don't think we've come close to exhasting the explanatory power of purely physical models as of yet. I'm not really interested in getting into a protracted argument about this or other paranormal phenomena, and I'm certainly willing to admit that there are things that science doesn't currently adequately explain, but it doesn't really seem to me that the evidence suggests that phenomena currently outside the explanation of science won't eventually be explainable in purely physical terms.
this site: http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html says:
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monkeys and dogs have successfully recovered from brief (up to two minutes) unprotected exposures |
and see also http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/a...ers/970603.html
edit: fixing misformatted links
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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quote:
Originally posted by Cruddy
1) I'm glad you admit it! OK, this probably isn't the psychic aura that mystics bang on about... but it is an uneplored area for science. The Kirlian, even if it is an incidental curiosity, at least gave the subject an airing. |
 I have never denied that. ::scratches head::
The Kirlian just looks like badly taken and/or doctored images. I don't see how it can be taken seriously at all.
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Originally posted by Cruddy
2) (Sigh) Look, just by observing a phenomenom, you change it. Some areas of research like electricity, magnetism etc are much easier to research than human reaction and interaction. |
No. Do you alter a solar eclipse by observing it? The possibility of alteration could only exist when there's interaction, and when the observed object(s) are very small. That's why Heisenberg's Uncertainly Principle works only in the quantum world. More precisely, that's when the effects are large enough to cause a concern.
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Originally posted by Cruddy
3) NO IT HASN'T... at least not in full. Transpiration and capillary action are certainly involved, but they certainly cannot account for the amounts of water moved over the distance - they are too weak for the job. Don't try and fob me off with a teenage educational site - let's try an adult one, shall we? |
You are giving me a HS grade 12 webpage and accusing me fobbing you off? 
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Originally posted by Cruddy
Trying to get this post back on topic - I take the Arthur C Clarke view (a respected scientist as well as an excellent Sci-Fi writer). His take was that any advanced technology would be seen as "magic" by someone who didn't understand the principles behind it. |
William Shockley thought that blacks were genetically inferior to whites. Clarke's saying may have some truth in it, but that is far from sufficient to cover the whole spectrum.
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Originally posted by Cruddy
In other words, today's paranormal is tomorrow's science. I think it a much healtheir and scientific attitude to accept that paranomal (that is, unxeplained) phenomena exist while retaining a healthy scepticism to explain it by accepted theories. |
"Paranormal" <> "unexplained"
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