07-05-2003 22:37									#31
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In order of expertise: C++, C#, Java, C, Perl, Common LISP, Prolog, LabView, Pascal, Visual Basic

	07-05-2003 23:05									#32
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Basic, some HTML and trying to learn Java...
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With all that knowledge here, it's such a shame we can't get it to better use ***couch -subforum-cough*** cute:

	07-05-2003 23:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph HTML is a language. It's just not a programming language. It is a document describing language. It it were a programming language, RTF and PS were one too.

PS can be considered a programming language (from a theoretical point of view it is Turing-complete so it definitely is a programming language, a well known hack was a web-server all written in PS)
SQL and HTML instead are not Turing-Complete and so they're not programming languages.

Historical (At least from mine point of view )
AmigaBasic, AMOS, Pascal, Modula-2, Visual Basic

Used frequently and enjoing them
C, C++, Java, C#, Assembler (mainly masm32 and nasm)

Scripting (Used frequently and NOT enjoing them)
Javascript/JScript, Perl, Rexx, Rebol, VBScript

Just used in a couple of courses at university
Prolog, LISP, Fortran

Others (I believe they can be considered programming languages since they're TC but they're a bit too specific )
Inform, Tex, Promela, XSLT, Matlab

And, if developers will be able to finish it one day..., i definitely want to learn Mozart/XL

	07-05-2003 23:14									#34
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quote: Originally posted by alva With all that knowledge here, it's such a shame we can't get it to better use ***couch -subforum-cough*** cute:

I like the idea... try posting a msg in the community forum, to see what the generel oppinion on this is...

...though keep in mind: it is a Civ site, not a programming site

	08-05-2003 18:33									#35
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CECIL (Boo! Humbug!)
Assembler (Z80, 6502, 68XXX and a little x86)
Basic (Super, MS, Amiga, NOT Visual)
C (not fluent)

As you can see, my programming knowledge is out of date and not marketable, which is why I'm on an Object Oriented Programming course and am gradually picking up Smalltalk. Hopefully will move over to C++ when I can afford to. Although I might just pack it in and program for fun instead (there's nothing like assembler for timing accuracy).

	08-05-2003 19:07									#36
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JPL
SAS
Fortran
Cobol
Basic
Assembler
C
C++
SQL
Java
Perl
Python
Lisp
Logo
Turtle

Most of my current work is done in either C++ or Assembler, mostly assembler.

	08-05-2003 20:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Although I might just pack it in and program for fun instead (there's nothing like assembler for timing accuracy).

Assembler is not fun. No way.

	08-05-2003 20:28									#38
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basic8 and a little bit of Fortran.

Have an uncle who tells a funny story. He does interesting computational stuff for a steel company. involves thermal and mechanical behavior of big rolling presses. He says that understanding the science and developing the right algorithm is way more important than what language you use. His bosses all think that a more up to date language will give them better answers. So he tells them he is using C or C++ and then goes home and does all the work in basic. Says if you know if-then-else and loops, that is practically all you need. And he solves problems that noone else at the company will touch.

	08-05-2003 20:42									#39
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Hm. Most people do that stuff in Fortran because of the huge optimised libraries and helpful built-in data types.

Of course he's right in a very broad sense. Coding is mostly about decisions (if-then-else) and iterations (loops). The devil is in the details, however. I completely agree with the algorithm part too. Just take sorting (a favourite of Computer Scientists) for example.

	08-05-2003 21:15									#40
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I know

Fortran 95
Fortran 77 (yuck)
some sorta Basic (from early 90s)
different math and calculator languages
scheme

Jon Miller

	08-05-2003 21:29									#41
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You think Fortran 77 is bad? Try Fortran 66, then

	08-05-2003 22:04									#42
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quote: Originally posted by GP Says if you know if-then-else and loops, that is practically all you need.

I Agree, it's exactly what i meant in my previous post:

if + loop = Turing Machine = Programming Language

That's all you need to implement algorithms.

But said that let me add also that choosing the right language for solving your problem is very important cause each language has its strong points and weaknesses:

If you want to manipulate strings in C/C++ or even assembler you can, but it's easier to use Perl.
If you want to write CGI programs in Basic or Fortran you can, but it's easier to use PHP.
If you want to write math/engineering software in Perl or Java you can, but it's easier to use Fortran or Matlab.
etc...
Come on, like i wrote above, if you want you can write a web server in PS, but i doubt that Apache will be ever ported on it .

quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller scheme

How is Scheme?
and what are the differences with LISP?

	08-05-2003 22:12									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You think Fortran 77 is bad? Try Fortran 66, then

I have

the horror, the horror

Jon Miller

	08-05-2003 22:27									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Angelo Scotto How is Scheme? and what are the differences with LISP?

From what I remember of it, it's very similar to common lisp, but it's a smaller language and has a few syntax differences.