08-05-2003 11:29									#91
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan Politicians probably can't piss off their own sponsors like that. Sava: It looks workable - except that you'll offend everyone on the entire political spectrum one way or the other.

I admit its an optimistic hope but that is no arguement against doing it and there is little reason NOT to do it, especially if we're seriously interested in being a shining light for the world, or whatever the rhetoric is these days.

	08-05-2003 21:24									#92
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 I admit its an optimistic hope but that is no arguement against doing it and there is little reason NOT to do it, especially if we're seriously interested in being a shining light for the world, or whatever the rhetoric is these days.

Well, by your logic, there is no argument against communism either.

If a system can't work because of human nature (whether it is communism or those ideas above) then that is a very big argument against it. You can perhaps change human nature in the very long term, but in the short-term we work with what we have.

	08-05-2003 21:33									#93
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Ranskaldan: There is no changing human nature even in the long run. In the future humans will still have hopes, fears, desires, and what not just like those of us alive today and the people who lived 1000 years ago. If we want to find real solutions to the world's problems then we're going to have to find ways to get natural human behavior to work for us and not against us.

That's way capitalism works so darmn well.

	08-05-2003 21:47									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Ranskaldan: There is no changing human nature even in the long run. In the future humans will still have hopes, fears, desires, and what not just like those of us alive today and the people who lived 1000 years ago. If we want to find real solutions to the world's problems then we're going to have to find ways to get natural human behavior to work for us and not against us. That's way capitalism works so darmn well.

We did manage to tone down racism quite well, considering that it is probably hardwired into our hunting-gathering clan-based brains.

	09-05-2003 07:44									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In the future humans will still have hopes, fears, desires, and what not just like those of us alive today and the people who lived 1000 years ago. If we want to find real solutions to the world's problems then we're going to have to find ways to get natural human behavior to work for us and not against us. That's way capitalism works so darmn well.

Capitalism has only existed for about 500 years . . . out of the last three million in human history. It's hardly what one would call, natural. It is, however, a great motivator, since we are compelled on pain of starvation to enslave ourselves to the theives who have carved up the common property of Earth. Humans have hopes and dreams yes, but that hardly means that this system is better at satisfying them than any other. Capitalism has been forced, at gun point, upon every people on Earth (with the exception of parts of Eastern Europe). It is maintained through trickery and force, or we should have peacefully gone into socialism over a century ago.

	09-05-2003 08:13									#96
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Thanks to globalization, I can watch the T.a.t.u music vids.

	09-05-2003 08:42									#97
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Capitalism has been forced, at gun point, upon every people on Earth (with the exception of parts of Eastern Europe). It is maintained through trickery and force, or we should have peacefully gone into socialism over a century ago.

Well said

	09-05-2003 09:30									#98
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Capitalism has only existed for about 500 years . . . out of the last three million in human history. It's hardly what one would call, natural. It is, however, a great motivator, since we are compelled on pain of starvation to enslave ourselves to the theives who have carved up the common property of Earth. Humans have hopes and dreams yes, but that hardly means that this system is better at satisfying them than any other. Capitalism has been forced, at gun point, upon every people on Earth (with the exception of parts of Eastern Europe). It is maintained through trickery and force, or we should have peacefully gone into socialism over a century ago.

The alternative system you propose, unfortunately, is an utterly unworkable pipe dream that would have plunged us into a dark age of economic ruin and political chaos.

From two evils I choose the lesser.

	09-05-2003 12:06									#99
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quote: Why not pay adults a wage that is above average for the country and perhaps their children won't have to work.

They usually do. In the 1st world we consider these wages shocking, but in those countries they are well above what normal people are paid.

Companies which go into these countries elevate them in the long run and begin the process of equalizing economic growth around the globe.

quote: There is no changing human nature even in the long run. In the future humans will still have hopes, fears, desires, and what not just like those of us alive today and the people who lived 1000 years ago. If we want to find real solutions to the world's problems then we're going to have to find ways to get natural human behavior to work for us and not against us. That's way capitalism works so darmn well.

For centuries economics has tried to divorce us from our competitive, self-interested natures. Capitalism is the economic system which uses our nature in order to bring us to new heights. One can see this by the AMAZING growth under capitalism, which is totally unprecedented in history.

	09-05-2003 12:36									#100
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Well on the good side I can buy a Japanese car that doesnt break down 6 months after its made in detroit.

on the bad side, the guys who made the cars now work over at dairy queen.

70/30 against

	09-05-2003 13:31									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I wouldn't have it any other way!

Ha ha, you don't fool us! You are really this really rich frozen food distribution tycoon

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	15-05-2003 15:55									#102
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	15-05-2003 16:08									#103
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Because of globalization the candy namned "raider" in Sweden was re-named a few years ago to the global name "twix", for this globalization will burn in hell. No damn way I'd eat a candy called "twix"!

	15-05-2003 21:18									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Because of globalization the candy namned "raider" in Sweden was re-named a few years ago to the global name "twix", for this globalization will burn in hell. No damn way I'd eat a candy called "twix"!

hi ,

it was not only in sweden , it was over the whole world , .....

have a nice day

	15-05-2003 21:23									#105
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What? Well, I'll blame globalization for it anyway!!!