08-05-2003 23:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Not really. The brit press is generally fairly low in standrads in Europe. BBC is no exception.

I believe you were speaking about over coming personal biases.

	08-05-2003 23:46									#32
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Though I was a little skeptical by the stop of updates pretty early in the war - before the US reached baghdad and while electricity and the rest seemed to still be running. In the end, I just dunno)




maybe when bombs are falling all over you cant easily sit down and write in your word procesor. just maybe.

	08-05-2003 23:47									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I believe you were speaking about over coming personal biases.

the brit press consistently gets low grades in quality of press studies in europe.

	08-05-2003 23:48									#34
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paiktis, I now consider you on Fez's level...

	08-05-2003 23:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 maybe when bombs are falling all over you cant easily sit down and write in your word procesor. just maybe.

Maybe, but the bombs weren't going on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. There were cameras in bagdad running and you could see cars were moving in the street, and from what one of the articles said, the blogger was writing down the stuff on the days he couldn't access the net...

	08-05-2003 23:51									#36
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The bombs fell pretty systematically and in thich volumes.

	08-05-2003 23:53									#37
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 The bombs fell pretty systematically and in thich volumes.

Which explains the huge 500,000+ civilian deaths that everyone was prediciting....

Oh, wait..

	08-05-2003 23:55									#38
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Some of the Bush admin's estimates were that high.

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That has nothign to do with thenumber of bombs which were falling.

	08-05-2003 23:59									#40
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Yes, there were a lot of bombs, and yes, estimates were high - however, those bombs were targeted fairly precisely in non-civilian areas and they weren't going off 24 hours a day. Hence you had cars in the street and people going out to shop. Was it perfect? Of course not. But to think that all of the people were simply standing around shellshocked unable to move or do anything for a month just isn't reality.

	09-05-2003 00:01									#41
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to say that they were going around their daily usual business is not reality.

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quote: Originally posted by Edan Yes, there were a lot of bombs, and yes, estimates were high - however, those bombs were targeted fairly precisely in non-civilian areas and they weren't going off 24 hours a day. Hence you had cars in the street and people going out to shop. Was it perfect? Of course not. But to think that all of the people were simply standing around shellshocked unable to move or do anything for a month just isn't reality.

I'm sure there was the normal hustle and bustle of the standard business day.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 to say that they were going around their daily usual business is not reality.

I'm not saying they were going out and doing their daily usual buisness. But some of them were driving cars (anyone looking at a camera filming baghdad saw that) and some were going shopping for food (hence the deaths when someones (US? Iraqi?) missile misfired and hit a store causing a number of deaths).

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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm sure there was the normal hustle and bustle of the standard business day.

Which is exactly what I said, right?

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I your

	09-05-2003 00:06									#46
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What you saw from a camera for some seconds doesnt making a wide all encompasing reality. I hope you realize that.

	09-05-2003 00:07									#47
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I think one of us is going to end up crosseyed...

	09-05-2003 00:08									#48
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[brainwashed chant]
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 the brit press consistently gets low grades in quality of press studies in europe.

When you say quality of press studios what are you refering to? The decor in the background of each broadcast?

Seriously, I'm willing to bet that it is a highly subjective survey where some biased intellectuals sit around and complain that so and so new organization doesn't bias the news towards their own personal political ideology.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 What you saw from a camera for some seconds doesnt making a wide all encompasing reality. I hope you realize that.

Actually, I had one of my computers at work set to a webcam on bagdad, so I was looking at more than a few seconds.

And yes, like I said, it wasn't buisness as usual. My point is that not everyone was standing around shellshocked for a month, 24 hours a day. And neither were the bombs going off 24 hours a day. Given that the blogger found time to write down his ideas during those days, it makes me think he could have typed them up in the same amount of time.

	09-05-2003 00:22									#51
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Oerdin, the studies are done by independant international journalist unions.

Edan, glad you realize that it wasn't business as usual and an interaption of the blogger in the early days is wholly justified.

	09-05-2003 00:25									#52
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by paiktis22
Oerdin, the studies are done by independant international journalist unions. [QUOTE]

In other words biased reporters (face it all people are biased) from around Europe (I've got money which says the majority are left of center) get mad and vote against centrist and right of center publications.

That's sounding alot like I described in my previous post.

	09-05-2003 00:29									#53
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BBC and many other brit newspapers are not right.

	09-05-2003 00:29									#54
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of course you can all attribute it to a vast anti-UK conspiracy from all over europe and be done with it.

Might save you some trouble from thinkign what to say next.

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No vast comspiracy; just the bias of individual people who want to vote for biased new groups who support their personal bias.

That's all.

	09-05-2003 00:35									#56
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In other words a paneuropean orchestrated biased campaign against Britain.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

I'd rather just believe that the brit press is not so good and be done with it.

	09-05-2003 00:49									#57
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Are you still doing your Brit bashing Paiktis...

No matter what you hear, it's going to be biased... no matter who it comes from. The trick is to at least realize what the bias is, and not fall for the propaganda hook line and sinker...

	09-05-2003 00:52									#58
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The Brit press is fairly good (unless although even this is relative has to do with Britain) but certaintly not amonst the top in europe as oerdin desperately wants to believe.

Since he will not takemy word for it I mentioned the studies of international associations of journalists.

That is not a bias.

	09-05-2003 01:18									#59
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I've been reading Salam Pax's blog since well before the war. You can never be sure, but he seems legit.

I guess that Blogspot could tell the domain that he's posting from and put the kaibash on any BS. A lot of news organizations, including PBS, have talked about the blog, so Blogspot was probably asked to authenticate him.

Edit: There was only 1 ISP in Iraq before the war--the Iraqi Olympic Committee.

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	09-05-2003 01:36									#60
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Since he will not takemy word for it I mentioned the studies of international associations of journalists. That is not a bias.

Believe me when I say that even that is biased...

I would have to review the technical appendix of the studies... as well as the questionares... but there is always a bias. But you are probably right in saying it "maybe" less biased than other sources...

Again... EVERYTHING HAS A BIAS...