10-05-2003 06:24									#31
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if that had been me i would have laughed and laughed about it.

	10-05-2003 06:38									#32
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Aye, I mean fraternities mostly

	10-05-2003 06:40									#33
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Aye, I mean fraternities mostly



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please go to the picture thread and change your pictures.

They are posted in BMP format, which isn't saved in the cache, and takes up a bulk of bandwidth.

I have to wait 5 minutes every time I refresh the page. That is not cool.

If you want, I can send you jpeg versions of your files, so you can put them instead of the bmp files (choose EDIT -> Change Attachment)

	10-05-2003 07:04									#34
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A true story to show you what frats are like.

A friend of mine was teaching a course in feminism and ethics. A frat boy was part of the class (I don't know how he ended up there, perhaps it was a dare).

Anyway, to cut a long story short, all the students had to give a class presentation during the year and the frat boy volunteered to do the one on pornography. He was supposed to give a talk on the ethical issues involved (if any), but he turned up with his porn collection and proceeded to give an illustrated talk about his favourite stuff.

When my friend had him up on this, he seemed surprised, because he thought that was what he was supposed to do.

Jesus F*ck! What a wingnut?

	10-05-2003 07:07									#35
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Oh Jesus. If you want to find out about Sororities, enter "sorority girls" into Google's image search.

*edit* don't if you are easily offended. I never realised there was such a fixation on rich schoolgirls.

	10-05-2003 07:09									#36
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And you're trying to tell me this is the norm in the US?

Hard to believe.

	10-05-2003 07:19									#37
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Agathon, I'm not interested in pics.

I just want to know how popular it is, who goes there, how the authorities treat it, how it started etc.

I didn't remember there were different names for girls and boys.

	10-05-2003 07:22									#38
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Hmmm...

I did a search anyway.


One of the addresses, if I post it on apolyton would look something like this:

www.free-erotic-****-teen-****-****-****-pictures-****-****.com/******

	10-05-2003 07:31									#39
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Sigh. They're forgetting that youre in another country and don't know anything about the "culture".

I'll tell you from my POV.
Fraternities are for boys
Sororities are for girls.

What happens with them is that you supposedly belong to that particular club (insert three greek letters) and its supposed to be great and wonderful and that you'll be friends for life and that your social success depends on which fraternity or sorority you happen to belong to, or are able to get into.
As per usual sorority girls happen to hook up with fraternity boys.

The hazing, etc. its supposedly a "right of passing" or admission test to said groups. Kids take it because they assume their social success is at stake and there's the type of group of people they want to hang out with or become a part of.

So the drinking, parties, etc. becomes a part of the frat/sorority culture and its supposed to be cool because you're supposedly a privileged brat whos out there to have a good time.

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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Hmmm... I did a search anyway. One of the addresses, if I post it on apolyton would look something like this: www.free-erotic-****-teen-****-****-****-pictures-****-****.com/******

Yeah, I know - that's why I edited my post. I did the search expecting to find porn and porn, but the first page of results I got were pictures of girls in their underwear playing cards and other dumb stuff. I thought it was funny. Then I looked on the next page which was downright nasty.

	10-05-2003 07:48									#41
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Actually one of my Kiwi mates went on an exchange to Berkeley and got so pissed off with a particular frat that he barged into their house and challenged them all to a fight.

Weirdly, they all ran away.

	10-05-2003 08:09									#42
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Well, Siro, I will try to answer your questions as best as I can. I am not a member of a frat, but i know several people who are.

"why do people take the abuse (when there is)?"

They do it to fit in socially, to have a guaranteed group of friends to hang out with, to do things they think are fun, and for the party-related benefits.

"why doesn't official staff intervene in stuff like hazing / illegal activity?"

They try, and when something really bad happens they do put their foot down. But for the most part hazing is kept all hush hush and the people who are victims of hazing keep their treatment secret. Generally the fact that hazing occurs in fraternities and sororities is well known so those who would object to being hazed would not join.

"how did this begin and why?"

Don't know too much on the history of this, but they started in an earlier era as "elite" social clubs. Well, frats were in any case, sororities were started much later then frats.

"how was it? how similar is it to movie depiction?"

Well from what I hear, they do have the hazing, though that depends on what frat you are at. Depending where you join, you could either have Icy-Hot put on your testicles, be forced to drink, and their are some frats that even claim not to haze. The frat people I have talked to about frats claim the main stuff they do is just social type stuff, with also alot of community service they do. Most significantly for non-frat people, frats are often the ones organizing the party scene on campus.

here is an article about fraternity hazing, if you are interested:

http://www.stophazing.org/fraternity_hazing/index.htm

	10-05-2003 08:13									#43
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agathon, berkeley is nothing but wimps and asians nerds.

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When I grow up, I want to be an asian nerd.

	10-05-2003 08:24									#45
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oh, except for the lambdas. they are basicly an organize crime frat...

	10-05-2003 08:30									#46
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I'm probably one of the few people here who was in a fraternity because I get the impression that most of the people who post here feel "above all that silliness of buying friends and being an idiodic, mysoginistic perma-drunk party machine".

My basic attitude towards trying to explain to someone things about fraternities is that I won't bother. If you think they are stupid and pointless, then why would I try to convince you otherwise?

I will say this though, and I do think that there is a difference between Canada and the US - there are always some people in fraternities that fit the stereotype, and there are always people that don't. Sure, I partied alot, but I never even hit on a sorority girl, let alone date one. I did rather well in a demanding IR program, but I certainly wasn't one of the top 10 in academics in my fraternity (and it wasn't one particularly known for academics). I'd hardly classify myself as a mysoginist, conservative or preppy. I didn't need to "buy friends" - in fact, I was already friends with a good number of the guys in my fraternity before I joined. I learned alot of good lessons and met some fantastic people and, if I had to do it all again, I'd join in a heartbeat.

	10-05-2003 08:43									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Actually one of my Kiwi mates went on an exchange to Berkeley and got so pissed off with a particular frat that he barged into their house and challenged them all to a fight. Weirdly, they all ran away.

That must have been a pretty pathetic group of guys. There were a few similar instances with my fraternity among parties, sporting events, etc.. They always ended in one hell of a beating to the guy (or guys) who were stupid enough to take on a whole fraternity.

	10-05-2003 09:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki That must have been a pretty pathetic group of guys. There were a few similar instances with my fraternity among parties, sporting events, etc.. They always ended in one hell of a beating to the guy (or guys) who were stupid enough to take on a whole fraternity.

He went pretty crazy at them. I think they thought he might have a gun. After all, what sane person crashes angrily into the atrium of a frat house and challenges all its members to a fight?

*edit* great sig, Kontiki. I thought Asher's one was good, but that's even better.

	10-05-2003 09:23									#49
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to put it in short: Sororities are places where you want to go to sleep, but not wake up.

	10-05-2003 12:38									#50
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