16-05-2003 00:02									#31
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Solun is Macedonian largest city on the coast (there are others)

You sure you haven't heard of it!?!?!


American ignoramuses

	16-05-2003 00:08									#32
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FYROM is a land locked country with no sea coast so how the hell can you have a "sea side" house? The country is bordered by Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Greece, and Albania.

And watch who you're calling an ignoramuse; especially when you are so clearly in the wrong.

	16-05-2003 00:15									#33
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FYROM does not exist americanino


Even your own country accepts her as Macedonia

Get in touch with your representative and ask if you dont trust me

	16-05-2003 00:17									#34
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And I have a seaside house allright, and there is no Greek flag for hundreds of kilometers around

	16-05-2003 00:21									#35
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Solun... It wouldn't happen to be the same as Thessaloniki?

	16-05-2003 00:22									#36
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Here it is for you black on white: http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/was.../newsitem.shtml

quote: QUESTION: Will Macedonia lose the American support for membership in NATO? MR. REEKER: No, you haven't. We just signed, as you will recall, just a little over a week ago, in Tirana an important charter that included Macedonia, Albania and Croatia, the Adriatic Charter, where we pledged to work together with Macedonia and the other two countries and were quite supportive of Macedonia's aspirations toward NATO membership. The efforts Macedonia has taken have been very positive, and as the Secretary said in signing that agreement, we encourage all those countries to continue working together and working with us and working through NATO structures because we think that leads to a lot of progress in many areas and stability for Macedonia and for the region. The Article 98 agreement is an important thing in our bilateral relationship with Macedonia, and that is why, as we have with Macedonia, and that is why, as we have with many other countries, we have sent a team there to work on this subject with the Government of Macedonia.

How many times did he say Macedonia? High ranking official.

Evidence enough?

	16-05-2003 00:25									#37
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Thessaloniki is a name Greeks invented after wwII. They also have their own name for Istanbul and other cities. It doesn't have any meaning whatsoever (except to them).

	16-05-2003 00:26									#38
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Oerdin I quoted you official state department document.

Did I shatter some illusions?

	16-05-2003 00:31									#39
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It's also called Salonica. Is that the Latin name then?
Anyway, isn't the city overwhelmingly Greek nowadays?

	16-05-2003 00:40									#40
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Real name is Solun. Salonica is latin I think, yes. Greek overwhelmingness is relative my friend. Their officiall censuses do not allow other nationalities. Really. It is funny as hell

	16-05-2003 00:43									#41
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In the balkans everyone is busy trying to rename cities and each ethnic group has a seporate name. It's really funny to watch them get their dander up when you speak to someone from ethnic group A and intentionally call a city by ethnic group B's name.

VetLegion: Sorry buddy but you're off on your own little fantasy trip. FYROM was very real when I was there two years ago and it most certainly was landlocked so there are no seaside villas.

	16-05-2003 00:47									#42
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Oerdin, can you read!?

I mean you should be able if you can type

Go to the official page of the US State Department and read with your own eyes.

So much about the name.

You must be some American Greek raised on propaganda

	16-05-2003 00:50									#43
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Oh and tell me about reality?

You need a reality check yourself.


See Greek census, 98% Greek.

Now meet reality, streets full of Macedonians and Albanians (more by the day).


I blame US school system, not you though.

If you didn't see it on live TV it didn't happen

	16-05-2003 00:53									#44
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Read your link? So what? People call it Macedonia for short but the CIA World Factbook continues to list the official name as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia; either way no matter what you call it your country is still landlocked and there is no sea side.

Play all the little word games you want but that fact will not change.

	16-05-2003 00:54									#45
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Oh and when paiktis logs in he can confirm you what I am saying. He will probably go into his crazy nationalistic mode but don't pay attention, he is sympathetic with the Macedonian cause He just has to keep his cover because he works for a Greek company, that's all.

paiktis

	16-05-2003 00:56									#46
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Paiki is also a balkanite like yourself so I'm sure he will work himself into a lather. BTW here's the best part of the CIA link:

quote: Coastline: 0 km (landlocked) Maritime claims: none (landlocked)

Have a nice Greek holiday this summer.

	16-05-2003 00:57									#47
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Collin Powell calls it Macedonia so Macedonia it is.

Bush also.

	16-05-2003 00:58									#48
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I think he's slovenian. He's just baiting you.

	16-05-2003 01:01									#49
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Oerdin, ok you had your fun with 'factbook'


Now get real. I am telling you about the street. Only Albanians and Macedionians. Greeks call the latter mountain greeks is that what is confusing you?

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I think he's slovenian. He's just baiting you.

I know. The truth is I have fun trying to get people worked up too. It's just he should save the Thessolonika is Macedonian part for Greek because I've been to the city and if I owned it I'd give it away. It is a stinking pit with trash every where and that is the truth.

	16-05-2003 01:04									#51
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quote: We just signed, as you will recall, just a little over a week ago, in Tirana an important charter that included Macedonia, Albania and Croatia, the Adriatic Charter, where we pledged

You know what is Adriatic, right?

A sea, american, a sea

How can you sign a maritime agreement with a landlocked country?



Your own diplomacy is proving you wrong, do you think they are crazy?

	16-05-2003 01:05									#52
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And I do not have to bait him Azazel he is proving himself an ignoramus par excellance

	16-05-2003 01:08									#53
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quote: Paiki is also a balkanite like yourself so I'm sure he will work himself into a lather

What is this, RACISM!?



I expected no better. You are truly pathetic

	16-05-2003 01:17									#54
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Hmm.... FYROM looks pretty landlocked to me, definitely no seaside villas theres...

	16-05-2003 01:20									#55
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How the hell did this turn into a chest-thumping thread? The topic seemed pretty neutral to me...

	16-05-2003 01:21									#56
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I really didn't expect racism on this board


I would complain to the mods, but my heart is so full of grief and rage I can barely type through rivers of tears



Oerdin

You have proven a typical americian racist and I want no discussion with you.

	16-05-2003 01:23									#57
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And in all seriouseness, I won't complain because I don't do that. But you deserve a ban all right for your racism.


And this is only symptomatic of the problem. Americans are prone to that.

It is the biggest problem in the world. The only people in the world who have some power, who can do something, are same people who put different people into baskets and call them racist insults

	16-05-2003 01:27									#59
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Shi, it doesn't take much logic to conclude the map you show is ancient.

I see american flag under your avatar so I see I will have to do it step-by-step to you too:

1) Montenegro is not in Serbia, it is an independant country. One hundred points if you can find it on the map?

2) FYROM is a name that was used in the last century. Not anymore.


Do I need to find more nonsense to prove you your map is innacurate?

	16-05-2003 01:31									#60
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For pity's sake! Do you really not see the hypocrisy of crying "racism" while at the same time implying that all Americans are stupid and/or racist?