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Jaguar
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Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
time: 00:28
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Originally posted by Vesayen
*sigh*
It WONT be bloody but it WILL happen eventually-my prayer is that it dosent happen in my lifetime-but proboably in my childrens(if I ever have any).
The average American is caring less and less about politics and world events as times goes on, and voter turnout continues to drop...
In a system, where the people are completley uncaring, what is to prevent a charasmatic leader from simply taking power that he shouldnt have gradually-when there is little to no resistance against him?
I dont see how events can play out any other way.......Im afraid the next world changing evil despot(Hitler size) will be the leader of an America populated by people even more apathetic and uncaring than today. |
Think of Watergate. Nixon cheated the election system (spied on opponent, covered it up) so we booted him out. Then we booted Ford out for pardoning him.
Same thing will happen to anyone who tries to cheatily stay in office longer than we want. When we want to throw someone out, we throw them out dammit. 
The other argument people make is that GWB's war on terrorism is letting him take more absolute power. However, after Roosevelt, did we become socialist? Nope. We elected a more moderate lefty, and then a Republican. We bounce back and forth. Once the detainee stuff pisses enough people off, we're gonna elect a "nicer to Islam" president.
GePap: I think what's happening right now is that the GOP gets together, and they come up with something they want to do. Then they decide Bush should announce it since he's the president and all. Then they pass it because some of them came up with the idea in the first place. But it looks like Bush is bossing them all around to outsiders. If the GOP loses the house and senate but GWB wins reelection, the legislative branch will appear to be stronger.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:28
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Neither Bush nor Clinto declared war on anybody. They simply attacked, with congressional consent (I wonder why Reps. were against the freedom of Albanians in 1999? Did they find freedom all of a sudden, somewhere?) Why does the president drive economic policy? Congress taxes, spends. They can come up with spending bills of thier own, yet it is always "the president's plan" people talk about..why? Why do reps. in congress leave it up to the executive to make the plans, why do they follow so?
FDR may hev been the president with the most power, but of course, he was also president at the zenith of the times of crises, and even then, Congress put up hell of a fight (FDR's defeat with the court is oen example). No, over time, Congress becomes less and less (Why is turnout for mid-term elections so much lower than presidental ones, if congress was seen by the people as having so much power?
No, congress continues its decline at the expense of the executive.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Agathon, Barry Goldwater said almost the exact same thing when he ran for president: There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties.
Since both parties like to move to the center to win elections, I think you are complaining that the center has moved right. Here I agree with you. The rightward shift dramatically began with the rejection of McGovern and then of Carter, and with the election of Reagan. I think it continues because today, for the first time in nearly a century it seems, the Republicans control both houses of Congress and the presidency. This means the Democrats have not moved far enough to the right to capture the center and the American people's votes.
As of this writing, I see nothing that will not continue to trend to an increasing Republican majority. The Democrats seem increasingly to be far left liberals, way out of step with the average American, particularly on issues of national security.
I am also amazed that none of the Democrats seem to be in favor getting the American economy going again. They consistently oppose tax cuts, citing worries about an increased deficit. If one thinks about this for a moment, the Democrat position is almost ludicrous.
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HershOstropoler
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quote:
Originally posted by Sandman
I'd say semi-despotism. Think Germany before the First World War. |
Now that's an odd comparison. Germany pre WWI had some authoritarian elements, but it also had strong recognition of the rule of law, of universal suffrage, of a federal system that respects states rights.
I think you are doing Germany grave injustice by that comparison.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Ned
Vesayan, Once upon a time, the Democrats had Roosevelt and Kennedy, two president who stood strongly for America and strongly for American ideals. The modern Democrat party was built on these two presidencies. But the Democrat party has lost its pro-American idealism and as a result it is increasing losing its base of Roosevelt and Kennedy Democrats.
It would be great if any of the Democrat candidtates were stongly pro-American. But none of them are save for perhaps Lieberman. But, Lieberman will not get the nomination as the party that nominates has moved too far left for him to be their candidate. |
I would of voted for Lieberman-but I doubt he'll be the democratic canidate.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:28
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Ned:
Amazingly, democrats still get votes... the majority of americans are registered democrats even though polls show that most of these registered democrats are too socially conservative to really be democrats.
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Comrade Tassadar
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In other news, the patriot act 2 gives the government the power to strip an AMERICAN CITIZEN of their citizenship if they are classifed as being part of a terrorist organization. Of course, the definition of a "terrorist organization" is up for the department of homeland secuirty to decide 
Also in other news, the Patriot Act (1) gives the government the right to track EVERY MOVE of your life thorugh the "Total Information Awareness" program.
In other news, Indian newspapers have been reporting for quite some time that after Sep11, several Indians were arrested by the government....not charged with anything, and deported back to India where they have several teeth missing, scars they didn't have before, and psychological trauma and show symptoms of major Post-Tramatic Stress Disorder.
In other news, several government organizations, contrary to the Republican stance of "get the government outta the people!!!" (  ) are now part of the Department of Homeland Secuirty effectively putting it under the control of one man.
Also in other news, airports are stopping certain passengers from boarding planes because theyve been blacklisted. Oddly enough, all the passengers denied are democrats
In other news, a man living somewhere was recently sentenced to several months in jail for making a "Burning Bush" comment. He and his collegues deny that he was referring to president Bush, but that didn't stop a baker (!!!) from telling the juge that they were lying
I'm DEFINATELY seeing despotic tendencies in the government nowdays. They are eerily resembling tendencies of my homeland.....
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
Albert, I think the Repblicans will continue to expand their base to be more inclusive and will increasingly attract registered votes as the "stigma" of being a Republican becomes passe. Bush's compassionate conservatism is highly attactive as a political philoosphy. |
compassionate conservatism is also an out and out lie. theres nothing compasionate about being convservative.
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21-05-2003 02:41
. the way he describes how the Bushies stole the last White House election by just preventing suspected (and partly even innocent) people from voting in Florida, gave me a short overview how America is turning away from democracy. I got really angry when I read this chapter. and I don´t see a reason why Micheal Moore should have lied. a lot of dangerous BS seems to go on in the USA.
... and the Blockwarts and Gestapo run the show... although Ashcroft seems to like the idea...
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