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Quit being a smartass.
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Kuzelj
Nov 2000
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well to bump this back to life 
ok to start from beginning
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Lord Merciless
Biotech community is working hard on directed evolution. The methods are still very primitive and not much better than the nature can offer. But if Department of Energy's (DOE) Genome to Life project succeeds.... |
just a small step as they say on the way...
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Lincon:
The end is that only the fittest will survive. Everything will be destroyed except the creator of evolution. |
well the fittest is God... which is the same in your case, just it might have been the product of evolution as we believe in it at the moment
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Soul Survivor
well with infinite time or infinite space (matter that is) god must already exist |
 actually never thought of it in this way - but well... yes 
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Loinburger
It'll probably end with good old fashioned entropy. When the suns have all burned out there won't be any more life, so evolution will have come to an end. |
not neccessarily as there is only so much that we know about the universe now, that it is entirely possible that we might learn how to deal with it, aren't we ourselves - matter that defies entropy in every possible way imaginable - we might just as well find the cure to that "possible end" problem.
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reds4ever
Evolution doesn't strive to create anything, organisms merely adapt or die, it's not a 'process' that needs to 'complete' |
it doesn't need to complete but evolutioin in infinity produces God... if you follow on the line that "life" was getting more complex until the production of self-awarenes of the matter about itself (people) and it has greatly speeded up since, actually human knowledge is said to go up on an exponential curve ( which is knowlege of the universe about itself effectivley) while space/time still go linearly up in size while not developing at all as far as we know regarding the principles that rule it... which in effect sooner or later we will get to the ability to rule the universe or know all there is about it or even beyond it - effectivley a position of God... well that is the product of evolution as it is...
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reds4ever
Why evolve? when an organism reaches a certain level of technology (ie. us) the enviroment can be made to adapt to suite the organism |
well is this all that people strive for, if it stops most of people isn't there a probability that a certain % of people will continue on the quest for knowledge pure and simple, a quest further even though they have everything to survive at the point - given our human nature I would consder that a certainty - Maslow's self actualization infact...
On all biological/technological evolution debate - well think of evolution in my terms as develpoment... biological took a long time in human life terms, techonogical is but a glimpse of the time involved and it will be getting faster and faster - which is knowledge accumulation within our race/other races if they exist...
assuming that some of them/us implode... the others will survive and contionue on the quest that is unstoppable progress in getting to know more about the environment around that interests us...
just think of the milestones
- eternal life at first - be it merging with the machines, or perfecting our technologies to replace and construct our biological cells/organs which will at first just have an "expiry date" and later on those replacements will be "perfectly functioning" ie-- no ageing - OK, that might be a long time from now let's say 10000 years from now, but it should be technically feasible, if we start to engineer on atomic level I am sure the "perfectly manufactured organs will be high on the list of desireability" unless we develop into some mechanical form before - we have started already on that quest - prostetic limbs, artifical teeth, replacement of the organs, heart transplants - etc... this is just the beginning but I guess you should be able to see where I am coming from...
second - body is just an overhead -if we can dispose of it entirely - who knows? just an idea... but this is not it...
third
and than the intelligence - which is in effect the matter in the universe itself (us or some other sentient evolved being) will find eventually all of its finite(or at least linearly expandable) numbers of mechanisms, laws, and their combinations, comprehend it.. and here you have God - OK maybe it will take next 10 billion years, but if evolution as a process is to be believed I think this is inevitable.
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
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What is the end of evolution?
I don't know. Yet, I think one problem is assuming that a god like being is the end all to evolution. It is a intrinsic statement that the more you learn the more you know. Yet, I think that the more you know the more you realize you don't know. Meaning that the smarter you get the more questions you have indicating that by infact becoming smarter you actually are becoming more realtively ignorant.
Also, I think I have a problem with the basic definition of evolution. For human evolution is wacked (there's a great scientifc word). For if evolution is the ability to increase your ability to survive, than why are we also increasing our ability to destroy? Humans in on themselves will be the end to their own evolution, we are a self-destructive breed...
Thus, with these to theories in hand, the end of evolution is and will be just like our beginnig... Stupid, innocent child, in the care of a garden, filled with good and evil... and we won't care to tell the difference.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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This is depressing as hell, to know that the universe we live in, that seems so magnifcient and powerful, will too come to an end .
Coming to terms with my own inevitable death was a pain in the ass, let alone humanity's, life's, and the friggen Universe's.
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K-man
Blame Sagan, he's the one who first came up with this summary.
Of course, then we would still have Percy Shelley:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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Japher
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
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Blame Sagan, he's the one who first came up with this summary.
Of course, then we would still have Percy Shelley:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away. |
Or, T.S. Eliot
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
and in not so much the same maner, yet I like it none the less
E.A. Poe
Out–out are the lights–out all!
And, over each quivering form,
The curtain, a funeral pall,
Comes down with the rush of a storm,
While the angels, all pallid and wan,
Uprising, unveiling, affirm
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"
And its hero the Conqueror Worm.
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Soul Survivor
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UChicago
May 2003
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this is all theory guys
based on the current observations in our tiny little corner of the universe this is our best guess of what might happen in the future.... in a hundred years they will probably laugh at us for believing ideas like these, the same way we think of the guys at the end of the 19th century who claimed science would soon explain everything
take it all with a grain of salt, its a dreary idea but an unlikely reality
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