04-06-2003 15:11									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Midshipman Not a ship. Navy 53s are shore based, although we did deploy to the Boxer, Bataan and Bonhomme Richard for a few days in the early part of the war. Mainly, Bahrain and Kuwait, with some in Fujairah, UAE

One of my uncles was on the Bonhomme Richard at the end of WW2. I assume this is a newer one.

	04-06-2003 15:36									#92
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Sirotnikov, go out and make peace.
Don't shoot anybody! I guess your army is most likely to recieve/deliver kills. If you read our discussion above, you'll understand. War is meaningless... think about that nice redhaired chick.

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	04-06-2003 18:27									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Branch: U.S. Navy Paygrade: E-5 upon leaving. MM2 (machinist mate second class or you can use the generic petty officer second class) Job: Machinist mate was my rating, but that doesn't even come close to explaining my various jobs. I joined the nuclear navy. Machinist mate wasn't my nuke job of choice- its what I got stuck with . Near the end of schooling I got accepted to ELT school (Engineering Laboratory Technician). Our primary job was water chemistry and radiological control in addition to normal reactor mechanic watch stations. Although on a carrier you can either qualify on the reactor mechanic side or the steam plant mechanic side. I also did some time at a Shore Intermediate Maintenance Acitivity- basically we did intermediate maintenance . Most interesting duty station: I won't include my ports of calls- they weren't actual duty stations (they were all in the mediterranean and middle east region) I guess all of my schools in Orlando, Florida- although it was a shame I wasn't 21 though . Although strangely you can get into some juice strip clubs in Orlando if you are 19. I mainly went to concerts though and studied. Sea Story: I've never been a good story teller. Some people have those story telling qualities and can exaggerate at the right time to make them seem more interesting. I've never been good at that. I mostly just saw some touristy sites (Vatican etc), drank, and chased women.

Another wannabe RC-diver. So which scrototype? Which class?

	04-06-2003 23:29									#94
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quote: Sirotnikov, go out and make peace. Don't shoot anybody! I guess your army is most likely to recieve/deliver kills. If you read our discussion above, you'll understand. War is meaningless... think about that nice redhaired chick.

I won't be shooting anyone, unless they charge at me in a busy israeli street. I won't have a gun for part of the service, and the other part I may have a pistol, as I will be an officer.

I'm not going to be a grunt. More of a desk job

	04-06-2003 23:30									#95
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quote: In fact you will be classified.

if i get to a certain rank, possibly

	04-06-2003 23:36									#96
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Refuse to go to the settlements and in the occupied zones like your democrat compatriots do.

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paiktis:

1) it is completely silly and undemocratic to be able to pick your place of service.

imagine soldiers will begin to demand not to serve in the front lines, because of any reason they want.

2) the army being in the occupied zones is government policy - not for military, especially grunts, to decide upon.

3) if i want to change the government policy, i can vote, stage demonstrations and so forth.

4) for the n'th time i'm not going to be a damn grunt!

	05-06-2003 00:09									#98
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well a soldier can be given an order to burn people, and he should refuse it...

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that would be an illegal order.

there's nothing inherently illegal with serving in the territories.

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Paygrade: E-6
Service: US Army
Job: Airborne Infantry, MOS: 11 Bravo
Most interesting Duty station:Tie, Ft Bragg, NC & Ft Benning Ga.
Sea Story/FUBAR: Tie, operation "Urgent Fury" & UN Force Sinai.

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quote: Originally posted by Sikander One of my uncles was on the Bonhomme Richard at the end of WW2. I assume this is a newer one.

Yes, the current Bonnie D!ck is a LHD.

	05-06-2003 01:42									#102
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What do the "E-number" signify?

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 What do the "E-number" signify?

Enlisted Paygrade (rank).

In the US Armed Forces, every service has the same number of ranks. There are 9 enlisted ranks and 10 Officer ranks. Since they are called different things, it's easier to just say "I was an E-3", then we know if they outranked you or not.

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but O-1 can boss around an E-9, right?

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In theory...

	05-06-2003 02:06									#106
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LOL yeah in theory


Cause if one is a hardened veteran and the other a pampered freshman out of some acedmy then...


thanks Lonestar about the explanation.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel but O-1 can boss around an E-9, right?

Sure, but you gotta remember, who do you think the troops are going to respect more?

The guy who's been in the service 20+ years, or the guy straight outta College (now, some Officers may be prior enlisted).

	05-06-2003 06:40									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel but O-1 can boss around an E-9, right?

Only if the O-1 is really stupid, or the E-9 is a jerk.
In the Navy or other branches, an 0-1 is a second Lt. or Ensign and is just out of school or OCS and has really no experience. On the other hand, the E-9 is Master Chief Petty Officer/Chief Master Sarg., with about 15 or more years in before he/she can make E-9. I think you can make E-9 in the Army in less time. Someone correct me on the Army, Air Force, Marines.

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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Che is claiming the military takes away your personality,

All I know is all my friends who joined all came back as the same person. Out of five close friends in high school, four of us joined the military, three served. Three of us joined the Air Farce, one the Navy.

Anyway, I enlisted in the Air Farce. Had enough college credits to qualify for E-2, but since I got a medical discharge before I left for boot camp, it doesn't make any difference.

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Paygrade: 3 dollars per day. Enjoyed every penny of it.
Service: Finnish Defence Forces.
Job/Rank: Sergeant. Training privates from dressing properly to shooting to combat and the works, training Corporal students who specialize in communication and electronic warfare and little wrestling too, 2nd in command in AA artillery thingie (don't know what you call it, but not the whole battery thing anyway) after lieutanent (in charge if he dies, does all the work since he's always away anyway in training), plus some other stuff which are not of importance, and the ones I have sweared not to tell outsiders .
Most Interesting Duty Station: All boring. The place where Corporal Course took place was pretty interesting. It wasn't that cozy, hence I loved it.
Story: Hmhh.. Lots of stories, but I'm too lazy to post any right now. Maybe later.

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	05-06-2003 13:20									#111
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quote: pampered freshman out of some acedmy

no one is pampered in any American academy

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I used to work as a cvilian at an army base and my experiance was that the junior officers were called sir by the warrant officers. But it was usually along the lines of Sir can you go and do something now please. the junior officer would say yes sergeant major.

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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman no one is pampered in any American academy

True.

A more accurate statement would be about the pampered doofuses that come out of the state university ROTC programs.

We had this guy named Lt. Cloud I once convinced that we desperately needed "black-out drive oil" one night on a training exercise.

The "black out drive" being a little light on the front of a vehicle to allow night vision googles to be effective for the driver, IIRC. It needs no oil.

This a-hole spent about a half hour on the radio calling around to the supply area and rear support for the oil. The supply guys played along and said it was on back order but they'd send it up as soon as it came in.

Forever afterward he was known as "Lt. Cloud-Nine".

	05-06-2003 14:40									#114
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OK, so it works the same way as here.
( Our military is based on the British in the ranks. So is yours, probably).

When I end college, I'll go to Officer school, and It seems I'll end up a Leutenant. (O-2, I guess )

	05-06-2003 14:42									#115
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But in combat, there are, AFAIK, very little or no highranking sergeants. They usually are in combat-supporting forces.

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I htink it would take a brave 2nd Lt to contradict his staff sergeant.

Every company of infantry in the UK has a sergeant major(warrant officer class2) I think they would have a combat role.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel OK, so it works the same way as here. ( Our military is based on the British in the ranks. So is yours, probably). When I end college, I'll go to Officer school, and It seems I'll end up a Leutenant. (O-2, I guess )

hi ,

with the exception that we trow away them funny looking british army rank insignia , ......

panag wonders why there are so many Israeli going to be officers at poly , ......

have a nice day

	05-06-2003 15:11									#118
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger I htink it would take a brave 2nd Lt to contradict his staff sergeant. Every company of infantry in the UK has a sergeant major(warrant officer class2) I think they would have a combat role.

hi ,

, the bages they wear on the wrists , its funny that some nco's do , and some dont , ......

it sure is a funny system to designate a warrant , .....

have a nice day

	05-06-2003 15:50									#119
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quote: panag wonders why there are so many Israeli going to be officers at poly , ......

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quote: Originally posted by panag , ...... panag wonders why there are so many Israeli going to be officers at poly , ......

Is it because the Iraeli army promotes idiots away from areas they could cause any problems