11-06-2003 11:13									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Mao So...gold is the way to go?

It's not a bad way to go, although if you leave the cash in a back account till the price is a bit better you would be doing yourself a favour.

Diamonds are a lot more portable though - just make sure you get a recepit so that trading them back isn't a hassle (maybe 5% diamonds are stolen or "blood" diamonds so best to be safe with them.) Same goes for any investment really.

If you want to MAKE money over the long term, go bonds (especially guaranteed govt "gilts").

If you want a GAMBLE, go stock market.

If I was in your shoes those Mex commerative coins would look the best bet. I appreciate it's a long way to Mexico from your location - but I honestly don't see a closer source for gold/diamonds. Good luck with the research.

	11-06-2003 11:34									#62
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quote: Originally posted by GP I always hear that fund managers underperform a random pick or the index itself. so what you should do is just bet opposite of the fund managers. now please get me my Liar's Poker sized trader bonus....

How does this industry survive? Seems like a self perpetuating circle of lies and blind faith.

	11-06-2003 13:45									#63
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Now we all know panag is a diamond trader in Amsterdam.

	11-06-2003 18:36									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Now we all know panag is a diamond trader in Amsterdam.

no i am not , so stop trolling with these type of comments , ....

	11-06-2003 19:03									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Now we all know panag is a diamond trader in Amsterdam.

Listen to the roar of laughter (listens)..






























Damn, it's quiet.

	11-06-2003 20:02									#66
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I find it funny as hell, thank you

	11-06-2003 21:05									#67
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I thought it was funny.


I think Gold is the best bet here for an inflation following investment, to hold time value of money. $2000 ain't much... Heck, if you never want to see it again, throw it in an IRA, you'll never miss it.

	11-06-2003 21:28									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I thought it was funny. I think Gold is the best bet here for an inflation following investment, to hold time value of money. $2000 ain't much... Heck, if you never want to see it again, throw it in an IRA, you'll never miss it.

hi ,

the gold price moves up and down like a roller coaster , you are better of with other metals then gold , ....

one exception ; golden coins and jewelry

have a nice day

	12-06-2003 00:42									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Now we all know panag is a diamond trader in Amsterdam.

is this an inside joke im not getting? (but stil funny knowin panag...)

	12-06-2003 05:56									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Saras How does this industry survive? Seems like a self perpetuating circle of lies and blind faith.

In the end it's all about the churning. Fund managers don't really underperform that much. There is not that much market inefficiency. Else there would be an incredible arbitrage opportunity. And Liar's Poker weenies are always looking for those things and trading in them to try to eliminate them.

The real important parts of the biz are the sales.

	12-06-2003 06:56									#71
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Cruddy, what are government "gilts"?

panag, the problem is that if I jewelry, I inherently (sp?) lose money because I can never sell it for what I got it for, because when they sell it to me, they charge for the value of the metal and the craftsmanship, but when they buy it back, they only give me the value of the metal.

	12-06-2003 11:27									#72
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quote: Originally posted by GP The real important parts of the biz are the sales.

Amen. True for every biz.

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quote: Originally posted by Mao Cruddy, what are government "gilts"? panag, the problem is that if I jewelry, I inherently (sp?) lose money because I can never sell it for what I got it for, because when they sell it to me, they charge for the value of the metal and the craftsmanship, but when they buy it back, they only give me the value of the metal.

hi ,

it depends what kind of jewelry , .....

there is loads of jewelry from for example in the US from inpounds and repro's , ..... the old garage sale could be intresting as well , ....

then its worth its money most of the times , ....

have a nice day

	12-06-2003 20:11									#74
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Yeah...I'd rather get it from a more "legit" source...

	12-06-2003 20:48									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Amen. True for every biz.

Disagree. There are biznesses where low cost production is key.

	12-06-2003 22:39									#76
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Low cost production or no low cost production, you have to sell what you produce at low cost.

But point taken, emphasis varies industry to industry.

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quote: Originally posted by Mao Cruddy, what are government "gilts"? panag, the problem is that if I jewelry, I inherently (sp?) lose money because I can never sell it for what I got it for, because when they sell it to me, they charge for the value of the metal and the craftsmanship, but when they buy it back, they only give me the value of the metal.

Gilts are govt bonds with a guaranteed return over so many years (typically 10). Gilts is just the jargon for these bonds, as in "golden edge promise" = guilded = "gilts".

As your 2nd point to Panag, the trick is to be the person buying at bullion (metal) value and resell at jewellry value.

Try browsing a few pawnbrokers to get an idea of what's out there and don't just go for the first deal you see. Leave the cash where it is until you are happy your plans will work out the way you want.

	13-06-2003 08:05									#78
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Pawnbrokers? How reputable are most of them? I was planning on buying metals from large companies and such, or bonds from the government. Pawnbrokers? I think you guys overestimate my ambition...

	13-06-2003 23:48									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Gilts are govt bonds with a guaranteed return over so many years (typically 10). Gilts is just the jargon for these bonds, as in "golden edge promise" = guilded = "gilts". As your 2nd point to Panag, the trick is to be the person buying at bullion (metal) value and resell at jewellry value. Try browsing a few pawnbrokers to get an idea of what's out there and don't just go for the first deal you see. Leave the cash where it is until you are happy your plans will work out the way you want.

hi ,

i wrote "impounds and repro's" , ....

in other words , your basic pawnbroker , police , etc , ....

have a nice day

	14-06-2003 00:04									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Mao Pawnbrokers? How reputable are most of them? I was planning on buying metals from large companies and such, or bonds from the government. Pawnbrokers? I think you guys overestimate my ambition...

Like I said, browse. You don't have to buy anything - but it'll give you starting ideas over what is out there. Pawnbrokers with a bad reputation go out of business real quick (and quite often start up again under a different name - so see when company was established).

Totally right Panag. Impounded items are the cheapest, most reputable way to buy good stuff cheap. Not sure about repros (=reproduction, ie copies of older stuff) - repro isn't respectable term in UK although I suspect situation totally different in US.

	14-06-2003 00:22									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Like I said, browse. You don't have to buy anything - but it'll give you starting ideas over what is out there. Pawnbrokers with a bad reputation go out of business real quick (and quite often start up again under a different name - so see when company was established). Totally right Panag. Impounded items are the cheapest, most reputable way to buy good stuff cheap. Not sure about repros (=reproduction, ie copies of older stuff) - repro isn't respectable term in UK although I suspect situation totally different in US.

hi ,

"repro" , offices who take something back if you dont pay for it , ...... "repossesing" , its then sold at low prices by baillifs , .....

without doubt the best way to get something cheap in the US of A

insurance firms are also good , .....

have a nice day

	14-06-2003 02:26									#82
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panag means "repo" I think...

	14-06-2003 02:56									#83
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Panag could be right - I am not familiar with repossession jargon.

Like I said, in UK repro = reproduction copies.

Anyway, thanks for explaining your meaning Panag.

	14-06-2003 08:09									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Mao panag means "repo" I think...

hi ,

you get what i mean

cruddy thats not entirely true ; court bailiffs in the uk do sell stuff they have impounded , the local counsils do that , .... check it out , same for the insurance firms , and its a great way to save some bucks big time

have a nice day

ps , take a look here > http://www.repo.org/WebFront/index.asp

or just type "repo" at yahoo

	14-06-2003 10:34									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Widely used in the electronics industry, Urban. Your PC (well, EVERYBODY's PC) would be up that creek without gold.

Not true.

There's very little gold used in any electronics equipment. Gold is okay as far as being an electricity and heat conductor, but copper and silver beat it hands down. Even aluminium is probably better.

The only advantage of gold is it doesn't rust.