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Colonel Panic also chimes in:
Shortly after 9/11 leaders opposed to the neocon movement received letters containing anthrax -- and the perp has never been caught. Peculiarly, the strain of anthrax has been traced to the US military.
Extreme racism is evident throughout the neocon movement, and is evident in commentary by the likes of Strom Thermond and Trent Lott. It's also seen in the appointments of racist Federal Judges like Charles Pickering and Priscilla Owen. In fact "W" himself awarded a "lawman of the year" award to a law enforcement officer who blatently lied and put over 40 black people from Tulio Texas in jail on fabricated, unsubstantiated drug charges. Those people, while now deemed innocent are still in jail! And Priscilla Owen, who sits on the highest court in Texas can let these folks go, and won't. Of course, she is a nominee for th second highest court in the USA.
Much of what you see in the neocon movement is recycled lies from the old southern confederacy and KKK. It's just glossed up re-hash of the states rights, get-the-government-out-of-our-lives, the U.N. is an intrument of the anti-christ crap that's been around for years. Only back in the late 60s this movement realized those ideals were not as popular as they once were and they dressed up the old speak in pseudo-intellectualism. It's a type of redneck code. Within the neocon movement the crime is not sharing KKK beliefs, but breaking the code, as Trent Lott did earlier this year when he toasted Strom Thurmond.
Even the part of the fascist definition which speaks to centralization of government is going on -- under the cloak of getting the government out of our lives. Only, they are centralizing power through deregulation of industries, and expanded rights of corporations. Media is becoming centralized, we have more channels, but have fewer owners in the. Neocons deregulated farming, gas and electric companies, telecommunications, and airlines giving them unprededented power and promising incredible benefits, yet all of those efforts have proven to be incredible failures. Enron, Worldcom, and the cost-cut, couldn't-get-a-job-at-McDonald's airline security folks who failed this nation on 9/11. Neocon thought drove all of this.
In return, these industries support the neocon movement.
Oh, and the dictator part? Bush wasn't elected, he was appointed by a group of people who owed his father and political cronies a favor.
Neocons are very dangerous.
Ah, so that's who the neocons are. This is the first coherent definition that I've seen (and it manages to contain itself in a crazy rant).
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That's taken from my journal.
"Neoconservatives believe in using American might to promote American ideals abroad."
Since when do American ideals include lack of electricity and lack of a democratically elected government?:P
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Columbia Heights, Washington D.C.
Jul 1999
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Originally posted by Sava
if I may add to this discussion, Imran has provided the best description, although chegitz was also on the right track with the whole "pro-corporate" thing. "Neo-Conservative" was coined also because the Neo-Cons are big-government... which is in contrast to the more libertarian style of less-government which used to be the mainstream conservative ideal. These Neo-Cons are also hypocritical in other ways. Ashcroft is supposedly "pro-life" but supports the death penalty and is against assisted suicide for the terminally ill. So basically its about being authoritarian rather than any real moral code. They often use morality as an excuse for executing their agenda. That's basically the method-operandum of Neo-Cons. They lie, twist and distort... and manipulate to get what they want... which is mostly driven by money i.e. corporate pork behind the Iraq war, etc. |
Again, people are confused about who's a Neocon and who's a regular conservative. Ashcroft is NOT a Neocon. St. Leo is wrong in calling Lott and Thurmond Neocons. They're all vanilla conservatives/bible thumpers. Wolfowitz is a Neocon. Bill Kristol is a Neocon.
I also fail to see the connection between a "moral code" and Neoconservatism. If you read the rest of the thread, Neocons are a foreign policy group with varying views on domestic and social issues (they often trend moderate, like Imram said). I believe that hardcore Neocons are driven more ideology then by economics. Think of hardcore Neocons as "drunk on America". The oft-derided Halliburton/Bechtel/et al. schnenagans are perpetrated by the non-ideologues and opportunists.
I'm feeling more and more right by saying that some leftists like to throw around the term without knowing what it means, Sava case in point....
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Please stay on topic, Sava's trolls not withstanding.
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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I hear this term being thrown around by the left around to describe our current administration. It seems kind of a pointless term to me, as I really don't see any type of distinguishing between it and plain old standard conservative. It's a term mainly used by people who hate the Bush administration, the only time I heard it used by an actual conservative was as a way of reffering to conservatives who were liberal during the Civil Rights movement. Also, I don't really see how it differs from what the left calls "Neo-Liberalism" Can't the left stick to labeling it's own ideologies? |
Can't the right do the same?
Neo-cons differ from "standard" cons (take Goldwater cons as an example of the honorable breed of conservatives) in a number of respects.
Remember the old bit (in several Republican party platforms) about getting rid of the Departments of Education, Commerce and Energy? And the general notion of reducing the size of Federal government? Ending unfunded mandates? Balanced budgets? Limited roles for Federal government?
Neocons are quite happy to ignore many of the traditional elements of American conservative politics, in favor of forcible power projection and imposition of American will where American economic interests or strategic interests (read: economic + power projection) may be benefitted (at least in the neo-con vision).
Kissing China's ass while the PRC becomes the next superpower is A-OK, as long as they promise to give us access to their markets in return for all the billions thrown in their direction. Deficits are OK, unfunded mandates continue to be the norm, and instead of focusing on reducing government at the Federal level, you get an expansion of Federal power in the area of law enforcement (WoD, WoT, PATRIOT, etc.) and intelligence.
Virtually everything that is anathema to old-line conservatives is OK if it serves the goal of imposing US power and enforcing our will overseas.
(edit - typos)
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09-06-2003 10:05
Thurmond and Lott as neocons! 
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Aren't those realists instead of Neocons? Neocons want to spread values instead of just going in for interests. That's the main thing that seperates IR realists from neocons (who could be considered IR liberals, with a greater tendancy towards force).
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