12-06-2003 19:20									#31
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West wing (seen in others things too, but that's the best know show I can think of )

	12-06-2003 19:24									#32
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This is a disgraceful idea!!

Labour are now trying to take the piss out of English people, this would be the Final Insult, and what appauls me more is that somebody from my very hometown, Rotherham, has supported this outragous move. Not meaning to put down Rotherham, the Home of English football, but it seems the people there have now lost thier common sense. I think it must be the smoke from the factories that has done this.

Hopefully I'll out of this country by 2006 though

	12-06-2003 19:26									#33
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Pfff, just a piece of cotton to me.., no reason to get all worked up about IMO.

	12-06-2003 19:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Worthingtons This is a disgraceful idea!! Labour are now trying to take the piss out of English people

Calm down, it's obviously not going to happen. It's clearly a stupid idea, you don't have to get all worked up about it.

Also, it's got nothing whatsoever to do with the Labour party. Find another thread for you trolling on that issue. Did you even read the linked article?

	12-06-2003 19:31									#35
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I dread to think what'll happen when the Daily Mail (The Last Great Bastion Of Englishness™) gets wind of this.

	12-06-2003 21:00									#36
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britain has become to ****ing politically correct :grrrr:

	12-06-2003 21:45									#37
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I really don't see the use.
The Union Jack has never had anything to do with race, and I think it would be a considerable step backwards to begin so

The Union Jack is good as it is. It should change only when Scotland or Norther Ireland will become independant from England, not before.

	12-06-2003 22:14									#38
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I can see one big problem with this.

If the Union Jack gets changed, won't the other flags that incorporate it also have to be changed?

I can see Australians being furious about putting any black on their flag.

I think it's not a bad idea changing the Union Jack - but I also think this design could be improved on (where's the yellow and brown then?).

	12-06-2003 22:18									#39
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Stupid.

	12-06-2003 22:23									#40
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The Union Jack is a pile of crap anyway. Think about it. It's a vaguely lop-sided geometrical design intended to represent a crock of foreign saints (one of whom was entirely fictitious) and to commemorate an act of English political imperialism under a bunch of usurpers and Germans.

It says nothing to me about England, the English people or anyone else on this island. If they want to sum up our history they should use a picture of an English arrow sticking in a Frenchman's head.

	12-06-2003 22:35									#41
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You're probably right - it's nothing that I or anyone else should get really worked up about.

Nevertheless, it's a daft move.

Laz, I think it's very smart flag, I consider myself more 'English' than British, but i use the Union Jack on here because i prefer it's vibrant design as opposed to St George's cross.

	12-06-2003 22:36									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp It says nothing to me about England, the English people or anyone else on this island. If they want to sum up our history they should use a picture of an English arrow sticking in a Frenchman's head.

A French sword making some Rosbif heart to bleed would do too

	12-06-2003 22:39									#43
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That can be the French flag.

	12-06-2003 22:42									#44
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Lithuanian flag would stand a good chance at winning the flag gorefest competition, i'd say

	12-06-2003 22:54									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Lithuanian flag would stand a good chance at winning the flag gorefest competition, i'd say

Because of your axes ?

	12-06-2003 23:23									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp The Union Jack is a pile of crap anyway. Think about it. It's a vaguely lop-sided geometrical design intended to represent a crock of foreign saints (one of whom was entirely fictitious)

Sorry, none of them is fictitious. The idea of St George slaying a dragon is fiction - the actual person was a noble in the Byzantine court, as I remember.

That leaves St Patrick (a Welshman ? who converted Ireland - couldn't have actually been Irish, could he?) and St Andrew (whose nationality is unknown to me - but somebody started converting Scotland so why not give him the credit, eh?)

quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp and to commemorate an act of English political imperialism under a bunch of usurpers and Germans.

Eh? Which particular act are you talking about here? Union with Scotland? Union with Ireland? More than one act involved.

quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp It says nothing to me about England, the English people or anyone else on this island. If they want to sum up our history they should use a picture of an English arrow sticking in a Frenchman's head.

That's because it's the British flag, not the English one. Here, don't you mean a Frenchman's arrow in an Englishman's head?

Nice troll.

	12-06-2003 23:34									#47
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I like the present day Union Jack... very nice flag indeed .

I'd be sad if they changed it, but there seems to be little chance of that (though if you want to add black, should brown also go in because of your large Indian/Pakistani minority .

	12-06-2003 23:47									#48
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Heh, the Georgia flag has been changed twice in the past 5-6 years. At least now the old confederate battle flag doesn't appear anywhere on our flag, instead we have the confederate political flag. Of course now instead we also have the words "In God we trust" on it, which seriously need to go.

	12-06-2003 23:48									#49
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both a silly thing and the flag's new colors remind me nazi germany's war ensign only with blue...

	12-06-2003 23:48									#50
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Maybe it could look like this then, so we dont leave out our Asian friends

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	13-06-2003 00:24									#51
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How about incorporating a red dragon while we're at this political correct bollocks?

Aren't the biggest minority in the UK east Asians anyway...so we should really have some mucky brown colour on there rather than black.

	13-06-2003 00:33									#52
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Notice I included a Special brown rim on my version bodds - I should forward to the govt and perhaps they will like it.

	13-06-2003 00:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Sorry, none of them is fictitious. The idea of St George slaying a dragon is fiction - the actual person was a noble in the Byzantine court, as I remember. That leaves St Patrick (a Welshman ? who converted Ireland - couldn't have actually been Irish, could he?) and St Andrew (whose nationality is unknown to me - but somebody started converting Scotland so why not give him the credit, eh?) Eh? Which particular act are you talking about here? Union with Scotland? Union with Ireland? More than one act involved. That's because it's the British flag, not the English one. Here, don't you mean a Frenchman's arrow in an Englishman's head? Nice troll.

Troll, my arse. I'm serious, so stop attempting to denigrate any opinion that differs from your own.

St Andrew was Greek. Padraig was what you might call Welsh (a nation who's flag is not on the Union Jack), and the fact that the Turkish George may have existed doesn't hide the fact that everything he's commemorated for here is an act of fiction. He wasn't even our original patron saint- the very real St Edward was.

And as for the singular/plural nature of the Acts of Union? What's your point? The fact that there was more than one means they weren't acts of English imperialism?

I'm English so you get an English viewpoint. Live with it.

	13-06-2003 00:41									#54
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But I thought you was just trolling too..
From the posts on this forum, i would say you are about as English as Greg Rusedski

	13-06-2003 00:57									#56
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I think you've touched a salient point there, Rothy. If getting fits of the vapours about immigrants, getting panicky about gays, feeling that one's worth is largely governed by what county one originates from, and thinking lefties are best off in Dachau constitutes Englishness then I'm probably a poor excuse for an Englishman.

Then again, only one of us is desperate to **** off to live in another country. Know what I mean?

	13-06-2003 01:46									#57
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Laz, the reason I thought you were trolling was the English arrow in the Frenchman's head bit.

King Harold wasn't French, and the arrow fired wasn't English - see my point?

	13-06-2003 01:47									#58
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Did you notice how the diagonal red-and-black looks just like the anarchy flag?

	13-06-2003 02:11									#59
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The old "dont tread on me" flag of the USA was pretty cool...

	13-06-2003 02:14									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Firelad Did you notice how the diagonal red-and-black looks just like the anarchy flag?

I thought the anarchy flag was all black.