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So, do the pals have _every_ right to defend theirselves against oppression and occupation in other words against terror from the illegal settlers and IDF? |
Explain to me how sending suicide bombers up to blow buses full of civilians helps the defense of the Palestinians. A most unique strategy of defense. Perhaps they're trying to confuse the enemy?
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:28
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There are other means you know, like sniper attacks on IDF solders. I dont approve the attack on civilians but IDF is killing them too.
Explain to me why israel doesnt want to solve this problem, but is constantly keeping with their apartheid traditions. Who would have guessed that people who survived Hitlers terror would start their own lebensraum in just a few decades
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Edan
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Originally posted by laurentius Explain to me why israel doesnt want to solve this prob
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It does. That is why, despite the risks inherent, a wide majority (70%) continue to want to go back to the negotiating table and discuss a two state solution with an exchange of the territories and setting up a Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in exchange for that state putting an end to the terrorism.
In contrast, 80% of the Palestinians say that a state of Palestine cannot coexist with Israel.
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by Fez
The Palestinians had several times to accept state hood and why didn't they?  |
Several? They had one: 1948, and the fact is Fez that if you had been a palestinains then, you of all people would have been out getting a gun to kill israelis.
And I don;t consider 2000 a serious chance for Palestinain statehood, but a serious chance to have continued the Oslo process.
Edan: If I remember correctly, this violce begun in spet 2000, not March 2002. If you cna tell me that since sept 2000 the majority of suicide attacks against Israel were carried out by Fatah, go ahead (I don;t think you can), and Israel begun bombing PLA installation in 2000,. They finally invaded in 2002, but they were using F-16's and Apaches to atatck PLA facitlieis since under Barak.
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In contrast, 80% of the Palestinians say that a state of Palestine cannot coexist with Israel. |
Maybe is Pals had ever seen the benefits of a two state solution, they might want ti. As of yet, they have seen very little (they had an small eopcnomic boom in the early 90's, then stagnated, and the settlements and closing continues unabbaeted during that whole time.
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:28
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Although that's not excatly what I'm saying is it Fez. I'm saying that you just cant start your own utopia in basis of being the master race/religion. I have always regarded jews as a people that have exeptional potent in science and philosophy. Therefore I find it very odd and stupid that they havent been able to come up with more sophisticated nation as it is. Whats with the militarization? Is this all that jewish people can come up with, not to mention considering themselves as the master-race above arab-palestinians. Most of all, I blame not the sephardite, but american and russian emigrants such as Sharon, son of stalin. Because thats where the ignorance and the attitude of not respecting minorities comes from, in other words power politics. Democratic centralism, whatever you wish.
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:28
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Well, most of his supporters are old stalinists, so who cares. Stalin wasnt russian either you know, he was born in georgia.
Ps. His parents were russian, no? Thats here he got his attitude.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:28
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Abbas needs to start showing an iron fist
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Im sure he would if he had any security forces to speak of after being bombed by the Israelis. Its like asking a man to run a marathon after you amputated his legs!
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I have always said that both sides are equally at fault for the current mess.
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In terms of "you kill us, we kill you", you are correct, and I want someone to take the high ground and start thinking, and say "no", next time the military plans an attack. Israel, being the "democracy", the nationstate, the richer nation, should be the mature party imo, while Palestinians are too disparate to be represented, its up to Israel. Also, in terms of who, historically, kicked this off, I'm afraid I must bite the bullet and say Israel.
With regards to your previous post, I can only speak for myself, but when Bush/Blair/Sharon etc start doing things that I approve of, and believe to be more productive, long sighted, I will state my approval and respect them for it. Thus far, they havent done so, thus I shall judge accordingly. That does not mean I am biased, or somehow, irrationally, hate Bush & co. For example, if it were not for this violence, I would be praising Bush for the peace plan, if it was working, especially after going to war on an Arab state.
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13-06-2003 23:04
So shove it up your Brit arses.
. However, he was perhaps the proverbial grease to the wheels. I have no doubt the good friday agreement would have happened nonetheless, just not on Good Friday 1998! Besides, the progress since, including the preliminary moves to disarmament by the IRA has been down to the cooperation between the British and Irish governments, and (most of to a degree) the political parties in Ulster.
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