30-06-2003 07:40									#31
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Egypt...gotta love the starting granary w/ free upgrades & +10% commerce cap; in addition to the +2 wealth/farm and 7 farms/city. They're the food train early on. (Japanese are good too, but they don't get as many bonuses as Egypt.) The wonder bonuses are pretty sick, too; 1 age earlier, 2 per city, 25% less. If you don't build wonders as egypt, there's something wrong with you. Colossus/SoL/ToT/Pyramids <== who cares, I'll probably get a couple. Their UU's are cool as well and are there at the pivotal point of the game (III-V) (though I tend not to use em too much, go figure).

	30-06-2003 17:23									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Suciu Romans all the way. Maybe I'm just a n00b who relys too much on their sweet, SWEET, UUs (heavy inf that counters heavy inf too), or maybe its because I like to mess with my opponents mind with spies and generals, and I do it with romans faster, or maybe it's because I rely too much on forts for defence. I love them.

I think that Romans' national bonus are a bit unattractive..
The Romans get no economic bonus except for a 10 gold city which is actually not much if you compare it to Egypt,Chinese,British,French,Japanese economic bonuses
10 % cheaper and faster creation heavy inf is an average bonus as you dont mass produce heavy inf as much as light inf and cavalry,the fortress bonus is ok but Russian's border bonus looks more attractive

Roman's overall national bonus isnt quite attractive I think......

	03-07-2003 09:58									#33
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Roman's cheaper fortress = strong border push. Very unique style. You can get fortress at ancient age to boder push. No civ can do that.

	03-07-2003 11:06									#34
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And who wants to border push in ancient age with fortresses? You have to develop 2 military researches to build fortresses (If I'm not mistaken). I'd rather develop something else at the start of the game then depend on some castles! Why don't you border push with some Cities/Temples, and as soon that you hit clasic/military 2 build some fortresses close to the border?

	04-07-2003 03:53									#35
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Acutally, Ctulu, the Romans can build Forts/Towers from the start of the game without researching any Military technology (I don't know why it's not explained in any documentation, but it still is true). Thus, the Romans can do a good border push early on. Build the second city and then build the fort on your new borders. Of course, this is very wood intensive (the first Fort is 281 Wood, 75 Wealth), but if done well, your forward base can be right on top of your enemy (in a 1v1, at least).

	04-07-2003 10:09									#36
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that is VERRY interesting, thanks for the tip then !
....and yes, you're absolutely wright!! just checked it, mmmm, but the price is high early on, even with a cost reduction. Cities influence borders more, but thanks anyway. And I thought the russians were the only good defenders with free attrition

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	12-07-2003 17:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I don't have a favorite, I play as random... now where's that option

me to

	12-07-2003 23:46									#38
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I still have to play as a bunch of nations, but of the ones I've played, I like the Turks the best, with the British in 2nd.

	15-07-2003 06:05									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ctulu aaaah, another lost soul, emigrate to Belgium man! Best beer in the world!!

Come on man! There's more to life than computer games and beer-! Whoa... sry 'bout that, guess I'd better get another pint.

-Lod

	15-07-2003 11:05									#40
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cheers m8 ride:
and any1 who thinks Heineken is good, it's just expensive pi$$ . Try Stella, or Maes, or Jupiler, or Palm, or Duvel, or .... (this list can go on and on and on...) . All Belgian beers!!!

Belgium, even though it's VERRY small, has 117 breweries, and had 24.383 pub's and about 1547 different beer's

http://www.dma.be/p/bier/1_11.htm

	15-07-2003 19:13									#41
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And that's why I loooooove the Mayans...

	15-07-2003 20:39									#42
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Dropped back after several successful games playing the Aztecs, and I'm shocked that nobody's picked them. (not even me, but I voted before I played them )

In a combat-oriented game, the Aztec bonus when killing enemy units is terrific. I found myself playing a much more aggressive style than usual just to get the bonus resources, and man did it pay off.

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	17-07-2003 09:02									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Yeah, we're missing the Banana option... how can somebody actually make a poll without it

Sorry, am I missing something...?

	17-07-2003 09:06									#44
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I don't think they are the best, but the Russians sure are damn fun to play.
Bust out a few early cities, get a tower up and some light cavalry and you can boom away safely. Then stockpile oil when it becomes available and invade with a force of T-80's, Katyusha Rockets and Shock Infantry (Not to mention the ever-essential nuke or 2)

	17-07-2003 14:31									#45
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quote: Originally posted by iamlod Sorry, am I missing something...?

The Banana is the most famous option in the history of Apolyton... It's used as a "I don't care" or "I don't know" option, and mostly it's written into something that has to do with the thread, in this case where it's about nations, you could have the banana option called "The Banana Republic"

	26-07-2003 23:24									#46
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ALL THE CIVS ARE DAMN GOOD! MY HEAD almost exploded trying to figure out what civ was the best!

	27-07-2003 00:57									#47
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I never really grew out of the TBS way of playing games. For my purposes, I find the Chinese are a good nation. Their speed for creating citizens and merchants/caravans is good for micromanaging infrastructure, and the size of their cities usually means it's harder to successfully raid them, as they get a little breathing space to rustle up a defense force.

	27-07-2003 14:02									#48
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I have mostly played Egypt and I really really like them but I believe the Bantu are going to win out in the end. Why? Because the Bantu are strong early allowing a good defence to be developed and the huge end game army is very difficult to counter unless you've got the Colossus. The Colossus isn't that hard to destroy. In my current game I built the Colossus and have a 300 pop cap. That should be interesting later on...

	28-07-2003 14:13									#49
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Will have to go with the Aztecs they seem to fit my style of play the best, killing and then some more killing.

	28-07-2003 14:16									#50
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I like the Romans.

	28-07-2003 19:36									#51
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Finally! Someone voted for the Aztecs!

	11-08-2003 04:35									#52
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I like alll the nations, especial if you center around their strengths. YOu make your tactics go with the strengths.

	11-08-2003 14:33									#53
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after some more playing I would like to change my vote (french) to maya. They are great, especially in CtW games.

	25-08-2003 03:11									#54
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hi ,

France , why , well cause its France , nothing else , .....

have a nice day

	25-08-2003 16:39									#55
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The Inca. Who cares about glorious unique units when you can have completely tasteless amounts of wealth long before the Modern Age?

	27-08-2003 00:32									#56
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You can do the same with the British...

So far the big three are the Brits, Russkis, and Germans.

An offensive/defensive/economic triad.

Weird... you think that one type would rule out but not...

	27-08-2003 23:04									#57
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Of those three, only the Germans have any early game attack possibilities at all, due to their buffed heavy infantry. The British and Russkies lack any good economic boosters (or unique units) to make them worthwhile before ages 5-6, so you'll have to defend for circa four ages before being able to truely join the fun.

	28-08-2003 12:30									#58
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british unique infantry/archers are great. You can attack early with them.

	30-08-2003 20:43									#59
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Turks Civilisation

	30-08-2003 22:06									#60
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quote: Originally posted by iamlod Sorry, am I missing something...?

A long long time ago, when Apolyton forums' were in uBB (it's now vB[ulletin]), a spammer - uh... intensive user - called Stefu (long time no see mate, where are you?!?) created a poll where he filled the first 4 options with his ouw choices, and filled the rest (16 options in total) with "Banana".
Now, I don't quite remember if there was a bug in the forum or if he thought he had to fill all the options in the poll, but for some reason you had 12 "Banana" options for you to pick.
From then on, you just *HAVE TO* have a Banana pick as the last of your options, wich is quite handy actually, for those who don't have an oppinion in a certain subject but would like to know how the voting in a certain poll is evolving.
...and then for the trolls as well.