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Soul Survivor
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UChicago
May 2003
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well i had about 8 beers tonight..... most productive thing i've done in weeks
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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I am a Chemistry student in Israel's best technological university, finishing my 1st year.
When I graduate, I'll go straight to Officers' course, and become a 2nd Leutenant. my next 6 years will be in the army, 3 of which I'll spend on a Conscript's paycheck, despite being an officer. This is in return for the Army paying my education fees, but It will be possible to get an M.Sc. in Chemistry.
When I am out of the army, in the tender age of 27  , I'll probably try to get a job in the industry, or even better, in the Academia. I hope that there will be budget cuts in Defence, so they'll let me out earlier.
That's about it. 
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
6 years in the army!  And this is after graduating from Technion. Sorry, Azazel, but it seems to me you would be much better off in Russia. |
But it's not like the Russian Army. Conscripts don't get beaten up, they are fed, and aren't forced to farm for potatoes around the base.
And most of my service would be in various office/lab/warehouse conditions, half of it would be on an officer's paycheck, which is very nice.
Plus, I'll be able to almost immediately start my Graduate Studies, so in any case, it would be time well spent.
I'd like to be there for 4 years, not 6, but never mind that.
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The Vagabond
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of realpolitik and counterpropaganda
Jan 1970
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Originally posted by Azazel
But it's not like the Russian Army. Conscripts don't get beaten up, they are fed, and aren't forced to farm for potatoes around the base.
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And most of my service would be in various office/lab/warehouse conditions, half of it would be on an officer's paycheck, which is very nice.
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Well, if so, it's not so bad (especially if in lab conditions). But still... Certainly, I feel admiration for how young Israelis take their patriotic duties.
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Plus, I'll be able to almost immediately start my Graduate Studies, so in any case, it would be time well spent.
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In Russia, you would be able to start your graduate studies right away, without going to the army. But perhaps in Israel the army is such a good school of life that 6 years therein is not a waste of time.
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The Viceroy
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tu mumbai se, mai Bombay se
Nov 2000
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Currently working for British Airways, based in Newcastle, but thankfully moving back to good old Heathrow soon ...
I really hate Newcastle
As for the future, well .. possibly another kid, my little girl keeps telling me she wants a friend (she's only 2)... but most of all, I plan to move perminantly to Bombay , and coming over here every so often.
In the process of putting some plans together to earn my living wherever I fancy ..
Ideally, I wish to work for 6months, and holiday for 6 months .. quite possible when you earn in UK, and spend in India 
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
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Just finished school. Taking the summer off probably, going on some nice holidays, then getting some crappy temping work until Christmas, going to Madagascar for a few months, coming home via any three of: South Africa, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand (money depending). Then fingers crossed, going to Cambridge Uni to study CompSci and Natural Sciences for three years. After than who knows. A doctorate, academia, fame and fortune as a novelist, or just an overqualified bum like PH. 
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
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Originally posted by Kramerman
nice dream, your chocolate better be reasonablely priced |
Of course it will be, I won't be doing that for money. If I get the money I'd love to do it free (gift-aid kind thing) but doubt that will be able to happen. I told my mum about that, the first thing she said was "You don't need a Oxford degree for that" 
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Going? Considering that, it is a tricky decision and I am still finding it hard to find direction...I have decided I don't want to stay in the lab for much longer, I realised when I left my PhD after a lot of careful thought that that is not where I want to go. However I have found myself to be ruthlessly efficient and organised...
I am not afraid of hard work, but I want it to be recognised...any suggestions? |
Do you want to something specifically tied to what you did for your degree and PhD? You could try pharma companies, but that would probably involve lab work. You could try some other science based field, if that interests you, although pay isn't generally good in specific science based jobs in my experience (my dad's a recently retired physicist, who's worked in technical science jobs all his life). Teaching could be a good option, but if you don't like being taken for a fool, public secondary education may not be for you. It can be utterly infuriating trying to teach people who are made to be there, and for the most part, pretty uninterested in their work (or so my teachers say). It is also much work and stress for peanuts, in comparison to normal graduate and postgraduate pay, and you could feel a little wasted. Have you thought about going back to university to teach?
If none of that strikes you, even in this economic climate, there are still *some* generic graduate jobs out there. With your degree and PhD, you have a certain edge over many other applicants, so you could think of applying for some generic jobs to see. I'm not sure if it's still there, but www.milkround.com looked good last time I saw it.
If you can't find work you want here, have you thought about going to a different country, maybe even the US? With an Oxford degree and post-grad, it would look pretty impressive and be something a little different there. Also much bigger job market, with far more (and better paid) science jobs there.
The first thing I would do, would be to brainstorm a few ideas of things that you think you might like to do as a career. What sort of environment do you want to work in? Do you want a technical or generic job? Do you want to stay in your area, or even in the UK? What do you want to be doing in 10 years time? Answer some of those, and then search through job websites, papers or careers services for jobs that match them. You could even take a job suitability test, if you place any faith in those. You say you are not organised. That is the first thing to do, organise yourself, what you want to do, and then start going out to try to find it.
The economy may be slowing down, but with unemplyment as low as it is, companies are looking for a few good people, which can be hard to find. If you feel the need, brush up on a few skills or take a few courses in things that are very employable, like computing skills. Learn about interviews or the aptitude tests that companies sometimes give to applicants. Anything that makes you look better, both on paper and in an interview.
IMHO, you need to do a couple of things. Most importantly, you need to get organised, and decide what you want to do, how and where you want to work, etc. Then you have to make yourself more employable, by learning generic skills if applying for that type of job, or brushing up on technical skills if applying for a specific job. Once you have done those, it is much easier to go out and find a job that suits you and that you suit. If you find a company you like, talk to the Oxford Careers Service, they have all sorts of contacts, ex-students usually, who are working in many fields, and can put you on to someone who could help find you a job. Networking is important in a climate when jobs are not as advertised, and when many are filled because someone knows a person suitable for it.
Bottom line (before I waffle on any more  ): if you know what you want, it is much easier to be motivated and to go out and get it. Think of what you want to do, and then search for jobs you like, and write applications. Also, a last though, do you CV up. Many people (my brother especially) fall down on their CV, as it either is way to long (put everything that you want them to read on the first page) or doesn't make enough of their talents and achievements.
I wish you the best of luck in finding the job you want.
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28-06-2003 10:27
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I would love to study that, if only I knew enough about computers. I read a book on Complexity Theory a year or two ago that really sparked an interest in AI. It was talking about adaptive systems, and evolutionary biology, but modelled on computers. Was absolutely facinating to me, but I am now comp sci or biologist 
what's that? I don't have one... 
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