28-06-2003 03:27									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu That's a bad thing? [/size]

Well, it was more an example of how adult he always tries to be. He has no need to look for furniture, goddamn, he haven´t even got a flat of his own yet. But he and his girlfriend are already 45 in their minds - and that is sad, cause the kid deserves all the fun me and my friends do

Imran, I got summer vacation and got nothing to do, thats why I came back to visit you guys

	28-06-2003 03:28									#32
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Boris, Agreed. But movie can't totally suck if Jack Black is in it. His personal contribution is always good. Like in a movie where this guy wanted to go to University of Stanford, but there was a mix up in papers and couldn't get in. The movie wasn't that good, but Jack Black as his brother made the day to me.

	28-06-2003 03:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka diplomat, So now we have proof!

I guess. Although personally, I always considered the proof flawed. I think it should be girls = time + money not time * money.

	28-06-2003 03:43									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka The worst part about girls is that you have to masturbate right at the last minute before setting off for the date destination! Even if I did so now, there's no WAY I'd last through that 90 minute movie without popping one if she wears the short jean skirt again

Just wear baggy pants and then strap it to you leg.

	28-06-2003 03:43									#35
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quote: Imran, I got summer vacation and got nothing to do, thats why I came back to visit you guys

	28-06-2003 03:49									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Imran, I got summer vacation and got nothing to do, thats why I came back to visit you guys

Hey, if ya wanna party, get online on the ICQ

	28-06-2003 03:51									#37
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Hey, I don't want to party that much .

	28-06-2003 03:54									#38
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ah whatever then...

has Gregor been around lately btw?

	28-06-2003 03:54									#39
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No, he's been away longer than you.

	28-06-2003 04:00									#40
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too bad... apolyton is not the same without the spanish weather guesser

	28-06-2003 04:34									#41
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my friend cooper has the same problem. its gonna be about 4 years now since they were 15. now i dont think nicole is evil, shes just very selfish and insecure and thats why she controls cooper. im in fact good friends with both of them but sometimes we want guys night and she doesnt let it happen because apparently she needs cooper than cooper needs friends.

	28-06-2003 04:36									#42
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Yeah, I especially miss Gregor's "twisted eye view" threads describing posters... Or whatever they were called.

	28-06-2003 05:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 If I had a choice between binge drinking and sleeping with a woman, my choice would be sleeping.

Everything is a matter of balance. I personally prefer sleeping with my girlfriend as well, but I'd be highly frustrated if my relationship would forbid me hanging out with my friends at all. The balance between couple life and one own's social life is one of the keys to a successful couple.

	28-06-2003 05:18									#44
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Spiffor:

Would you choose sleeping with a woman over hanging out with your friends for a span of a month? A year? To the point where your only 'friend' would be your SO?

	28-06-2003 09:09									#45
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i miss my ex.

sad thing is, neither of us wanted to break up. we're just going to be half a globe away from each other.

sorry about the "me" moment there.

pekka, as for your friend, if she's beating him up, you can try to convince him that he's in an abusive relationship. dunno how well it'll go over, he does seem kinda whipped, but that's just excessive.
hm. he won't listen to any suggestions to dump her?

	28-06-2003 09:20									#46
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Pekka, I think you just have to beat her up

	28-06-2003 10:03									#47
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He knows it. Maybe he denies it. We ask him all the time why he lets her hit him. It's not like she slaps her to the arm, she puncher him in the face with closed fist.

I was once so pissed at her behaviour, that I asked her why she hits him, and does she thinks it is justified. She replied 'well he's being such a butthole now'. You can't get a real answer. Avoiding the real questions. And then I asked if she thought it would be ok if he punched her when she was being a ***** that she always is. I'm telling you, drinks were flying (mine and hers, when she pushed the table) and she was ready to scratch my face like a tiger. I was saved by my evil eye that gave 1000 thunderbolts and signalled that you better stay away from me. I mean this chick was actually going to attack me. I my friend? Did not step in. I know he wanted to help me, and get her to sit down, but he was afraid. He knew what would happen afterwards if she would dare to come in between, and stop her unjustified illegal physical assault against his own friend.
Man she was reaaaally angry, I had to shout at her to calm her down and tell her to sit the f down, and that I'm not his bf. I actually said that if she hits me, I'll hit back.. I wouldn't have done that, but I felt threatened. Ok, I'm getting caught up in this story, but anyway..

The only ways she knows how to cope with difficulties and confrontations is physically attacking, yelling, screaming like a little ***** she is, and blaming my friend. I mean she even blaimes him for stuff he's unable to affect, like bad weather. She thinks she's princess and queen and that she can do what she wants with people and no one is to challenge her views, ever. And this is the way she's with her own parents too! and her other friends. I know she will never attack me as I'll give her my 'my wish is your command, submit!' look, but I wish my friend would do it also. He doesn't even get visibly angry when she beats him. He's like being all sorry for something he KNOWS he's not guilty of.

And then you look at this circus and try to figure out what you can do, after trying almost anything except threatning the girl.

	28-06-2003 10:05									#48
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UR, I wish I could do that... but I really can't and it's out of the question. If she attacked me, I could try to wrestle a bit to calm her down, holding her so she won't hit me but not being too gentle. And whisper 'if you ever do this again, I'll kill you and feed you to dogs'. Oh that would be so fun.. I'm fantasizing already.

	28-06-2003 10:07									#49
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Pekka, seriously, after that story, I think you need to sit down with your friend and lay down the law. If he still refuses to break up with her, then make an ultimatium: It's either her or you. If he says that's unfair to be making him choose, say 'tough'. Tell him you can't be friends with anyone that wants to go out with what he does.

	28-06-2003 10:11									#50
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Imran, been there done that. We have even had a party, and we all planned a sit down with him. Didn't work. He can't decide for himself when it comes to easy things either. But he's a good guy, and we know he won't leave her, but we don't want to break our friendship, because it would happen 100%. He's a friend of yours since kindergarten for chist sake.

	28-06-2003 10:12									#51
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Pekka, I was kidding (note the smilie). The woman sounds like a real mental case. I don't think it's useful to argue with her or to let your temper flare.

What you can do, I think, is to drop by your friend's place when the woman isn't around town with some mutual friends to get him out of his place. Drag him to a movie, some drinks, or even just walk around a bit.

	28-06-2003 10:13									#52
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quote: but we don't want to break our friendship, because it would happen 100%. He's a friend of yours since kindergarten for chist sake.

I know it is tough, but you have to. Listen your group of friends is suffering. I see it in your posts. This bothers you, raises stress, etc. And ALL due to your friend. He won't do anything about it so you have to say goodbye to him. You will be thankful for it later.

	28-06-2003 10:17									#53
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Man. She is abusive, no bones about it. Are there any support groups that your friend can be dragged to?

	28-06-2003 10:18									#54
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UR, You weren't kidding, I know you weren't!

Well he's not a total prisoner. We get to hang out every now and then. But a nice evening can end any second. She calls her every 30 minutes to check up on him, and if she feels like it, she orders him to come back, and he goes running.

Imran, I would do it, but he's weak. It's like sickness, he can't decide anything. So I'm not going to leave him behind because of his weakness.. We have a strong bonding, very strong, and me braking it is out of the question, it will never happen and I will not let him down. I'm not suffering THAT much, but it sucks and we are sometimes worried for him. I'm not going to do the 'tough love' thing, since he's weak and can't help himself. The woman needs to go, but we need to make the woman want to let our friend go.

	28-06-2003 10:20									#55
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Q Cubed, I don't know.. I don't think so. But I should say, that even when she beats her, it's not like he gets broken bones or something. Once he got a black eye, and that was the worst we know. She's lightweight, and our friend is quite muscular, so she can't inflict real damage. But beating is still beating.

	28-06-2003 10:23									#56
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I must also add, that they did break up like a year ago. It was such a joy to see the man enjoying his life. He was having a really good time and being happy all the time. The woman was miserable. That alone was a joy to my eyes. Anyway, after few months, they got back together. He didn't want to admit it to us, knowing our reaction. But they did anyway.. Well the good thing was, that she was acting real nice for a small time. I mean, she was actually nice and we thought 'ok, maybe she has changed, let's give her another chance', and invited her every time we had a social gathering.. she was just peachy, once she even asked 'does anyone want something to eat' and went to kitchen and made us some good sandwiches, came back with a smile and we all had a good time. She was nice to our friend too, not beating, not yelling all the time. LIke she went to anger managment or something. But that only lasted a couple of weeks. Too bad.

	28-06-2003 10:30									#57
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hm... try looking for a support group. if your friend keeps getting suckered by this girl being sweet to him and then beating him, he might not have that much self-esteem; such things must be remedied for him.

look for one, and then drag him, kicking and screaming to a meeting; dupe him into going; do whatever it takes, short of punching him like his gf does.

wow. this is kinda scary.

	28-06-2003 10:34									#58
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I'll look into that. Just to feel people better, she is not torturing him physically. Rather light beatings, and I bet she hurts her fist more than my friend. I'm more worried about the mental torture he goes through. I'll discuss that option with my friends, as it will be our group effort.

Tomorrow is his b-day btw, and we're having that BBQ. Naturally she's coming for that one, and there is no way she will start beating him, it's my grounds, my rules and she can leave anytime she chooses to, or I can remove her anytime I choose to. And I just might give him the tough love if he goes running back to her at his own b-day party. But if she'll be nice and like civilized people and not some nasty dominatrix, I'll let her enjoy as well.

	28-06-2003 11:57									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka UR, You weren't kidding, I know you weren't!

quote: Originally posted by Pekka Well he's not a total prisoner. We get to hang out every now and then. But a nice evening can end any second. She calls her every 30 minutes to check up on him, and if she feels like it, she orders him to come back, and he goes running.

That's bad, he's like a total doormat. I think part of the reason is this woman has been destroying his self-confidence. The best thing you can do is to help him build it back up.

	28-06-2003 11:59									#60
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women are the spawn of satan. Men are gods creatures. This has been proven time and time again.

Just listen to Led Zeps dazed and confused song