29-06-2003 06:02									#31
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like Imran, I don't see what the problem is... he's a religious man and religious people ALWAYS try to do the right thing and ask God for guidance...

i got a feeling that athiests automatically see any reference to God as evil... very odd thinking.

	29-06-2003 06:06									#32
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quote: I got a feeling that athiests automatically see any reference to God as evil... very odd thinking

nah, not evil, just a sign of mental illness. Especially when one uses "God" as an excuse for one's actions. Religion should be private. It's funny, most conservatives want everything privatized. But yet, they want their religion crammed down everyone's throats. Very odd indeed.

	29-06-2003 06:11									#33
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Sava:

you know what else is odd... how only a few percent of americans are athiests and yet the demand the leaders of the country to be athiests too

	29-06-2003 06:13									#34
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Yet again I agree with Speer and I'm an atheist

	29-06-2003 06:14									#35
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quote: you know what else is odd... how only a few percent of americans are athiests and yet the demand the leaders of the country to be athiests too

It's not a question of belief, but socialization. Little kids are socialized to be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, etc. Again, it's not about demanding the leaders to be atheists. I don't care what they believe. It's about them telling over people what to believe. Religion is and should be private.

	29-06-2003 06:14									#36
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He didn't tell people what to believe, whether or not he actually said that.

	29-06-2003 06:18									#37
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quote: He didn't tell people what to believe, whether or not he actually said that.

Oh please... it's not as if Bush is handing out Bible's and telling people to believe. Of course not. It's more subtle than that. Every time our children are forced to say we live in a country "under god" (or faced with ridicule and social abandonment if they don't conform), every time we use money stamped with "in god we trust", every time I have to see a copy of the ten commandments in a GOVERNMENT COURTHOUSE, religion is being crammed down our throats. Most people are just too stupid to see it, or think it isn't a problem because they've conformed. We have a religious government. And don't bullsh1t me by saying we don't.

	29-06-2003 06:19									#38
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Skywalker -- > Could you shorten your signature? At 1024x768, it takes 9 lines... you don't actually have to cut any quotes, just delete enters [change-of-lines] and replace them with something else, for example the | -mark, so this

quote: If trout-slapping is illegal only criminals will trout-slap. - Aggie I have yet to find someone who supports this war who can back up blah blah

...becomes this:

quote: If trout-slapping is illegal only criminals will trout-slap. -Aggie | I have yet to find someone who supports this war who can back up blah blah

Looks better, doesn't it?

	29-06-2003 06:20									#39
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ok

EDIT: now six lines

	29-06-2003 06:23									#40
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Nah, doesn't sound like Bush. I mean, most of it does, but not this part:

quote: . If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.

We already know that he does what he wants regardless of what the public thinks.

As far as the talking-about-god/no-talking-about-god issue, I'd say that I agree that religion should be a private thing- you can have your views, but that doesn't mean I need to hear about them all the time.

	29-06-2003 06:59									#41
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If we didn't have religious people, the would would be a much better place, and have a lot less people.

"Religion is a crutch for the weak minded."
-Jessie Ventura

	29-06-2003 07:03									#42
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Odin:

do you know which enlightenment era philosopher said something like that? something like, "There can only be a perfect society if everyone is athiests"

	29-06-2003 07:06									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Odin: do you know which enlightenment era philosopher said something like that? something like, "There can only be a perfect society if everyone is athiests"

Who?

	29-06-2003 07:07									#44
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quote: "Religion is a crutch for the weak minded." -Jessie Ventura

Which is amusing because Ventura is pretty weak minded himself .

	29-06-2003 07:13									#45
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He's governor, you're not...

	29-06-2003 07:14									#46
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Odin:

I looked it up... dont got an exact quote but the Baron d'Holbach, referring to persecutions of "heretics" and "witches" based on belief (whereas non-belief would not have caused these inquisitions) said something along the lines of only a society of athiests has any hope of being moral.

	29-06-2003 07:15									#47
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quote: He's governor, you're not...

Bush is president, you're not .

	29-06-2003 07:15									#48
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he's still governor?! didnt we just have an election over there?

	29-06-2003 07:17									#49
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quote: Bush is president, you're not

Dammit, as soon as I hit the Submit Reply button, I knew you'd say that.

	29-06-2003 07:18									#50
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We have a stupid republican in St. Paul now cutting the Education budget because he doesn't want to raise taxes.

	29-06-2003 07:19									#52
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quote: We have a stupid republican in St. Paul

among other places

	29-06-2003 08:01									#53
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I had sex with GWB and Laura. God made me do it.

	29-06-2003 08:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Come on people, Are we really going to trust the words of the Palestinian Prime Minister? This is ridiculous!

Well, at least he never lied about WMDs!

	29-06-2003 08:09									#55
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I had sex with GWB and Laura. God made me do it.

I presume he told George and Laura to jump in the sack as well.

	29-06-2003 10:02									#56
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This sounds like a very extreme thing to say, especially for the most important political figure of the US (and the world)

Extreme? Man, you haven't been following US politics for the last, oh, 230 years or so.

Bill Clinton invoked God at least as much as Bush does.

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	29-06-2003 10:06									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: "Religion is a crutch for the weak minded." -Jessie Ventura Which is amusing because Ventura is pretty weak minded himself .

The quote refers not to religion in general, but organized religion. There's nothing wrong with having religious beliefs, but, yes, organized religion is oftentimes full of ****.

	29-06-2003 10:27									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer you know what else is odd... how only a few percent of americans are athiests and yet the demand the leaders of the country to be athiests too

1. You can't tell how many atheists are in the US. Last I read, some 80% claimed to be Christians, but how many of them are Christians by choice?

2. The leader of the country should be atheist because there is less of a chance of violating the separation of the state and religion.

	29-06-2003 13:12									#59
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what's funny, is all the liberals who believe he said this.

you can't see how blind you are because of your ideology.

Bush isn't some religious nut. I dont recall his father being that way. He only pretends to be to get the conservative vote.

	29-06-2003 13:20									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Odin We have a stupid republican in St. Paul now cutting the Education budget because he doesn't want to raise taxes.

did you ever think of restructuring the education program to make it more efficient

**** education. There I said it. My state's democracts are using extortion and scare tactics threatening to close the schools if the republicans don't raise taxes by nearly 1 billion dollars

**** the democrats, and **** the republicans. **** the entire goverement for that matter.

You don't give an innefficient organization more money to fix what's wrong.