07-07-2003 09:34									#121
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Remember Ming Math... +1 = -10%

I don't see a need to close this thread... since Sirotnikov was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO concerned that people like him didn't know the rules, it's only fair to leave this as a monument to his ignorance of the rules so that others may learn from it

	07-07-2003 10:10									#122
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So... can you answer my question pliz

	07-07-2003 18:42									#123
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quote: Nahhh.. they are too busy trying to blame somebody else and demand they don't get treated so rudely when they break the rules... typical

You are trolling right now, you realize that?

What rules was tassadar breaking by uploading democracy game content?

There was no reason to ban people, for an innocent minded offence.

	07-07-2003 18:52									#124
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quote: Originally posted by alva Or a lot

That's a high risk route, though.

	07-07-2003 18:57									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Remember Ming Math... +1 = -10% I don't see a need to close this thread... since Sirotnikov was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO concerned that people like him didn't know the rules, it's only fair to leave this as a monument to his ignorance of the rules so that others may learn from it

It's becoming more monumental by the day. (Feel free to dock me a post Ming, I don't wish to be credited for this one).

	07-07-2003 19:01									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov You are trolling right now, you realize that?

Not when it comes to discussing your restriction. You were the one that broke the rules... and you are the one that started this whine fest

	07-07-2003 19:23									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov What rules was tassadar breaking by uploading democracy game content?

I highly suspect that that was me. But I'm not complaining.

spoiler(highlight to read): Can I get +10% perhaps, Ming?

(I'm joking)

	07-07-2003 20:11									#128
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Ming trolling? I think he is just curious to see just how long the same whine can be stretched out. I too admit some curiosity...........either way it's pretty entertaining. The thread should stay.

	07-07-2003 21:06									#129
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Perhaps he means that others will learn not to spam from our example as well as not to upload from Siro's example.

EDIT: Oh yeah Ming. If +1 = -10%, if I figured out how to delete a post of mine could i get +10%? +1 = -10% so -1 = +10%.

Last edited by mrmitchell on 07-07-2003 at 21:21

	08-07-2003 02:37									#131
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Somebody should suggest to MTG that he really needs to warn people before banning them.

	08-07-2003 04:24									#132
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Why... He has more fun just banning them. That's the way he works.

	08-07-2003 04:27									#133
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Is +1 now an infraction? I didn't know that.

That is Siro's point.

	08-07-2003 04:40									#134
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It is if it's considered spamming

And spamming has ALWAYS been against the rules... and that's MY point

	08-07-2003 04:51									#135
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Well you're the site's uber spammer so I guess you'd know spam when you see it.

	08-07-2003 04:56									#136
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Are we sure Ming can sniff out Spam?

http://www.smalltime.com/findthespam.html

	08-07-2003 05:05									#137
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My personal theory is Siro gets upset about these things because his parents didn't hit him enough or hard enough as a child.

There's nothing like some capricious parental violence to teach you to roll with the punches life dishes out.

	08-07-2003 05:15									#138
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Are we sure Ming can sniff out Spam? http://www.smalltime.com/findthespam.html

I can't find it!

	08-07-2003 05:18									#139
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Are we sure Ming can sniff out Spam? http://www.smalltime.com/findthespam.html

That website is disturbing

	08-07-2003 18:11									#140
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Just imagine his outrage if he had received a REAL punishment.

	08-07-2003 18:25									#141
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I agree with Siro. Its the principle of the thing.

	08-07-2003 19:07									#142
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I think Siro was just looking for a reason to complain. If such a thing happened to me I wouldn't complain, I'd assume they had a reason and look back over my activities, compare them with the rules, and figure out which one triggered the ban.

	08-07-2003 19:24									#143
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That would be too adult like.

	08-07-2003 19:25									#144
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I agree with Siro. Its the principle of the thing.

I agree with the Owners of this private site... it's the principle of the thing. He broke THEIR rules, so they gave him a minor punishment.

	08-07-2003 20:14									#145
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i don't think it's the punishment that's the problem, simply that he wasn't even notified by PM that he was banned. that is annoying as hell

	09-07-2003 04:32									#146
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I am very grateful to the site owners for providing everyone with a site where we can post for free. Following their rules seems like the civil thing to do. Rules change (and that is the owners' right) and the users should try to keep up with the rules.
However, civility might also suggest that even a slap-on-the-wrist punishment be preceded by a PM, especially when rule changes appear to have happened suddenly, in the dark of a moonless, foggy night, with nobody around to notice.
We should respect the owners; they should repect the users. Ming should respect everybo--nah, he's fine the way he is (the exception that makes the rules worthwhile).
I hope to see more of this thread. It fascinates me and amuses me. --rob

	09-07-2003 04:36									#147
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Let's make the owners do a lot more extra work because somebody couldn't take the time to keep up with the rules... yeah, right...

"civility" is following the rules of a site that you are a member of... not demanding that the owners do even more work just because somebody broke a rule

	09-07-2003 04:37									#148
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quote: I think Siro was just looking for a reason to complain. If such a thing happened to me I wouldn't complain, I'd assume they had a reason and look back over my activities, compare them with the rules, and figure out which one triggered the ban.

I had forgotten about a thing I did that wasn't even illegal when I did it.

And I recieved no PM.

*goes on strike*

	09-07-2003 04:40									#149
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I think the reason why Ming hasn't closed this thread is because he knows that if he does Sirotnikov will start a new thread entitled "Was my thread closed? If so why?" and Ming doesn't want that to happen.

	09-07-2003 04:42									#150
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quote: Let's make the owners do a lot more extra work because somebody couldn't take the time to keep up with the rules... yeah, right...

That remains your main arguement and it is still wrong.

Sending a PM to 12 people is probably easier than banning 12 people, and deleting 12 folders.

Furthermore, if instead of a personal PM, a single news post /announcement would have ben posted, then 1 action would have saved 12 bannings and 12 deletions.

See? I save the owners their time, and their civility.

quote: "civility" is following the rules of a site that you are a member of... not demanding that the owners do even more work just because somebody broke a rule

"civility" is letting people aware of the rules and making it clear when you are in breach, even if it may (or may not, as I argue) be "extra-work".

If dan and mark suddenly decide that posting their names is a sin and an illegal action, they can ban anyone they want to. But if they start banning people without even updating the FAQ, (not to mention making a news post) I would still consider it uncivil.