03-07-2003 20:45									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion it's just wrong to bring the dancing guys up as an argument for palestinian gloating about terracts even if some support them, that support might be reluctant. it certainly is inconsistent, as you have just shown. dancing people however are fond of terrorism (yes, all dancing people on earth ), and that just cannot be true for those 20-30%. they're human, too. the street dancers aren't. they're evil satan scum.

Uh, ect, you brought it up. As evidence that US networks are unreliable. When what they showed was accurate and timely.

	03-07-2003 20:47									#32
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CNN reports PA has arrested individuals in Khan yunis associated with mortar attack on Kfar Darom(?)

	03-07-2003 20:54									#33
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I brought it up, but not in the context of which I said bringing it up in is wrong.

	03-07-2003 21:52									#34
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Yes, but the reason you brought it up as evidence against CNN was in that context.

	03-07-2003 21:55									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov quote: Why not demand a crackdown on militants by the PLO before you release the prisoners? Introduce some element of reciprocity into the matter. They promise us a 3 month ceasefire instead, and say that they can't crackdown without poular support.

Then do what LotM said.

	03-07-2003 22:00									#36
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yes, and? what's so wrong, I'm just saying the media aren't all anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian...

	03-07-2003 22:02									#37
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My point was that if "people dancing in the streets" was an irrelevant arguement, that you are guilty of it too (and not in the way that you refuted).

Also, you turned out to be wrong.

	03-07-2003 22:09									#38
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you sound like Eli now... facing defeat, you come up with random claims that sound more like ego boosts than anything else "you're wrong and I'm right" and all that. just that he doesn't reply anymore doesn't make me wrong

he tried to make the media appear anti israeli, I brought up an example of how inappropriately they use images against palestinians. I'm quite right in the end, if you just stop seeing everything so black and white...

	03-07-2003 22:11									#39
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He showed how they didn't use the images inapporpriately.

quote: I'm quite right in the end, if you just stop seeing everything so black and white...

don't you see the irony in this statement

EDIT: forgot the flag

	03-07-2003 22:17									#40
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You probably haven't figured what my point is. Even if one quarter of the Palestinian population support terror against Israel,

1. it's not a majority

2. even the supporters aren't as mad as the dancers.

And of course a dancing support is different from a reluctant support, which quite naturally also counts for the Israeli popular support for the Iraq war. However, just because Israelis can be joyful supporters of the war without dancing, doesn't mean that the images of dancing Palestinians automatically mean that the Palestinian popular support for terro is even larger.

Check the polls. I bet more Israelis supported the war against Iraq, without anyone dancing, than Palestinians support the terror.

Showing the dancers over and over again is just stupid, ebcause there can be no reason to think they represent the population. And stop laughing.

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BTW, you forgot the flag in your post. Don't get unpatriotic now, they might send you to Cuba

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So what if it's not a majority? If 25% of american supported terrorism, I'd be worried and I'd think it would be a good idea for it to be covered on the news.

	03-07-2003 22:26									#43
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yes, but it IS covered. so he can't say the media are biased pro-Palestinian.

	03-07-2003 22:33									#44
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Yes he can.

a) it was covered RIGHT AFTER 9-11... the media was not in its typical mood

b) they criticize Israel far more than they do Palestine

	03-07-2003 22:40									#45
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they still cover it in that way

Siro - I have to admit that the origin of the pictures is still considered controverse here. I for example didn't know the Kuwait '91 thing was an UL.

and yes, Israel is stronger criticised. but why is it? because we/they see it as a western country with the responsibilities that a democracy has. not that they'd get the same chances, talk about double standards, but the reason why Palestinian organisations are hardly ever criticised is because we don't expect any different, we know they're barbarians.

I've said it before, I think one reply was "so Israel has to get even worse and more violent to escape the media bias?" sounds like a neat question, the truth is you shouldn't want to make it go away. of course being held to western standards all by itself is not a big gain, but it's not time to criticise media bias before you see what happens when it's over.

then on the other hand, your security is probably more important to you than being considered a part of the west (which some of you might not even want). if so, don't give a damn about what the media say. if you do give a damn, it shows you identify yourselves with their standards, in some way.

just don't think there's less criticism for the terrorists because we like them more?! dizzy:

	03-07-2003 22:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Check the polls.

You mean polls like this:

quote: As for suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians, there is a slight trend of decreased support for them since 59.9 percent of those interviewed somewhat or strongly supported them dropping from 62.7 percent last December, 64.3 percent last September, 68.1 last June 72 percent last March and 74 percent in December 2001. Of those surveyed, 30.329.8 percent somewhat or strongly opposed suicide bombings compared with 29.8 percent last December and 21.7 percent in March 2002.

http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2003/no48.htm

There have been similar polls by other news organizations (Reuters, for example, conducted a poll a while back and found that the majority of the Palestinians saw the goal of the intifadah as the elimination of Israel, not the creation of a Palestinian state along side Israel).

quote: I bet more Israelis supported the war against Iraq, without anyone dancing, than Palestinians support the terror.

IIRC, the only poll I saw of Israeli support for the war (conducted before the war started) showed 45-50%(?) supporting war. You lose your bet.

	03-07-2003 23:00									#47
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in that case Siro shouldn't have brought it up...

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nm

	03-07-2003 23:10									#49
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dont argue with the troll.

	03-07-2003 23:12									#50
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lord of the mark, is there anything you could bring up in this debate?

probably not, all I ever see of you is personal insults and the like. please stop bullying other posters now.

Edan, what was your point? feel free to speak your mind...

	03-07-2003 23:14									#51
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Ecthelion is an *******!

	03-07-2003 23:15									#52
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What's your problem, Spagetti or whatever your old handle was?

	03-07-2003 23:17									#53
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do what you like. argue with trolls if you wish

	03-07-2003 23:23									#54
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Do you want me to remind you of your previous handle?

	03-07-2003 23:28									#55
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What's wrong about Chaos Warrior?

	03-07-2003 23:29									#56
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why are there 2 laughing smilies? someone else there that I might know?

	03-07-2003 23:35									#57
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Chaos Warrior? COME ON!


Even my was better.

	03-07-2003 23:37									#58
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obviously you've never played Master of Magic. Warrax the Chaos Warrior is just the man.

now stop hijacking Siro's thread.

	03-07-2003 23:40									#59
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Sweet Irony

	03-07-2003 23:45									#60
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before Edan said "nm" I was dead serious. then lotm came and teaseed me.

now stop feeding it, please

what do you think of my interpretation of the media bias? still needs some work, but I think that might be it