13-07-2003 22:55									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Hey, I would support that. The book and movie businesses need the work!

Hey, they might even get some of the background a little more accurately. And we might not use the Cub Scout Ranger battalion, and might actually work out chain of command on the ground.

But at least Taylor is one of the ex-slave Liberians, nowhere's near as common in the population or well armed as the Habr Gidr.

quote: At least they should have IFVs this time!

If we have another Les Aspin in the mix, maybe he can *cough* have his unfortunate accident before the mission.

BTW, IFV's alone wouldn't have made much diff.

	13-07-2003 22:56									#32
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Normally, I'd say "f8ck Liberia", but the US's credibility will be damaged even more if Bush doesn't do something. He proclaimed we were liberators and spreaders of Democracy, freedom, and peace. Time to back your words up you f8cking liar!

	13-07-2003 22:57									#33
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Don't play games with the censor, little boy.

	13-07-2003 23:02									#34
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quote: Don't play games with the censor, little boy.

is this a new rule or something?

	13-07-2003 23:03									#35
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quote: Originally posted by DanS OK, MOBIUS is supporting it. I guess that means we shouldn't do it.

Flattery will get you anywhere you know...

	13-07-2003 23:03									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sava is this a new rule or something?

No.

	13-07-2003 23:04									#37
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quote: No.

sorry that question was reserved for MtG... or any other mod or person qualified to give a correct answer... i.e.... not you.

	14-07-2003 00:59									#38
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Just actual enforcement of the old rule.

	14-07-2003 01:42									#39
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Weren't there plans to up it to about 2000 troops?

Oh, and Sava, if they're ASKING for a peacekeeping force, they deserve it.

	14-07-2003 01:50									#40
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quote: Oh, and Sava, if they're ASKING for a peacekeeping force, they deserve it.

I agree. I think American forces should promote freedom and Democracy, and offer assistance to those who want it (i.e. Democracy cannot be imposed).

	14-07-2003 02:05									#41
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Sure it can.

	14-07-2003 02:07									#42
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quote: Sure it can.

only if you want to create a whole generation of terrorists...

	14-07-2003 02:08									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sava quote: Oh, and Sava, if they're ASKING for a peacekeeping force, they deserve it. I agree. I think American forces should promote freedom and Democracy, and offer assistance to those who want it (i.e. Democracy cannot be imposed).

And yet...

quote: Originally posted by Sava Normally, I'd say "**** Liberia", but the US's credibility will be damaged even more if Bush doesn't do something. He proclaimed we were liberators and spreaders of Democracy, freedom, and peace. Time to back your words up you ****ing liar!

I love how you contradict yourself in two posts that are on the same page

EDIT: I got rid of Sava's workarounds regarding the filter

	14-07-2003 02:12									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Sava only if you want to create a whole generation of terrorists...

We already have one. And if you read al Qutb or al Maududi, they're not going to just go away if the west tucks it's collective heads up it's collective asses.

	14-07-2003 02:12									#45
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quote: I love how you contradict yourself in two posts that are on the same page

that doesn't contradict... I said "normally"... normal meaning... "liberating" people who didn't want liberating. Liberia wants freedom, peace and Democracy... so we should help them. Perhaps you misunderstood.

	14-07-2003 02:14									#46
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You said normally you wouldn't go into Liberia, but because of the US's credibility on this issue, you support it in this case, thus making the current state of US credibility what makes this situation not normal.

	14-07-2003 02:15									#47
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quote: We already have one. And if you read al Qutb or al Maududi, they're not going to just go away if the west tucks it's collective heads up it's collective asses.

You are making the mistake of thinking there are only two strategies of defeating terrorism.

1. bomb them
2. ignore them

there's a third, but it involves things like sharing, conservation, regulating arms sales, curbing imperialism and corporate abuse... when the people in power benefit from not instituting such policies, positive change doesn't occur.

	14-07-2003 02:16									#48
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quote: You said normally you wouldn't go into Liberia, but because of the US's credibility on this issue, you support it in this case, thus making the current state of US credibility what makes this situation not normal.

The US's credibility is part of it... I didn't say it was the only factor.

	14-07-2003 02:18									#49
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However, the way you stated it did not indicate in any way that there was another factor.

Even more so, that other factor (them asking for our help) wouldn't be enough, due to your wording.

	14-07-2003 02:21									#50
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quote: However, the way you stated it did not indicate in any way that there was another factor. Even more so, that other factor (them asking for our help) wouldn't be enough, due to your wording.

I apologize for that. Because I'm limited into typing, I don't often spend the necessary time reviewing my posts before submitting them. Also, I am limited in my communications skills. Sometimes, what I post sounds good in my head, but isn't necessarily EXACTLY what I feel/believe. It's good to see you politely asked for clarification rather than spouting insults. Most 'Poly posters would have just called me an idiot and been none the wiser.

skywalker...

	14-07-2003 02:22									#51
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Thanks, no apologies necessary. I'm a stickler for grammar and such as I had it branded onto the inside of my skull during elementary school

	14-07-2003 12:45									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Sava You are making the mistake of thinking there are only two strategies of defeating terrorism.

Actually, there's only one way to deal with them And I'm more concerned about Islamic fundamentalism than terrorism per se - I really don't want a bunch of Islamic Republics with nukes, even if they play relatively nice for the moment while it suits them.

quote: there's a third, but it involves things like sharing, conservation, regulating arms sales, curbing imperialism and corporate abuse... when the people in power benefit from not instituting such policies, positive change doesn't occur.

Some of this integrates into the comprehensive approach for dealing with them, but some of it is nonsense - arms sales are beyond the reach of regulation, and what isn't sold is generally stolen or developed independently. Imperialism is in the eye of the beholder, but in the Islamic Fundie world view, the beef with imperialism is that it interferes with the spread of fundy Islam by the sword. They want us out of the Islamic world, because they want to consolidate their control first. Corporate abuse, corporate shmabuse. Most of the places where the *******s thrive, we haven't had much corporate reach, good or bad. Economic development and education are critical issues, though, so you can't take an approach of disengagement, and expect not to get slapped next century.

	14-07-2003 13:25									#53
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Sava:

quote: there's a third, but it involves things like sharing, conservation, regulating arms sales, curbing imperialism and corporate abuse...

Conservation would work in Liberia how? Regulating arms sales.. yeah I agree... what imperialism? Taylor is an anti-european/anti-american like Mugabe... corporate abuse? Companies aren't gonna do business in a place like Liberia.. it is too dangerous.

Sorry Sava....

	14-07-2003 13:26									#54
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eum ... Pakistan has nukes ... and the missiles to fire them ...

	14-07-2003 13:29									#55
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis eum ... Pakistan has nukes ... and the missiles to fire them ...

Counting other Islamic Republics, so does France.

Sorry that was a real bad troll...

	14-07-2003 13:40									#56
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It wasn't meant to be a troll, it was just a response to something MtG posted.

And personally i really don't mind france having nukes. it is a stable country. Pakistan however ?

	14-07-2003 13:54									#57
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I am talking about my post being a troll.

	14-07-2003 14:06									#58
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ah ... my mistake.

	14-07-2003 20:27									#59
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Here's a morbid article about the "God Bless You Gate" outside of Monrovia. At least this gate has a CO, unlike the last bridge of civilization in Apocalypse Now.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...-464461,00.html

	14-07-2003 20:36									#60
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Let 'em see real soldiers, and then see what they have to say.

(although what I've heard suggests we'd send Marines, so let 'em see real Marines.)