18-07-2003 18:17									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer poor little Caushun... he don't know what he's getting into...

Could you be any more of a condescending bigot?

I just love these baseless assertions from you and Drake. What would lead you to believe he isn't actually gay? Is Andrea Bocelli (the blind opera singer) maybe not blind because his disability has had an impact on his fame? Please.

Maybe Caushun is a gay guy who also loves to rap and is trying to make a career out of it? Hmmmm? Oh, no that couldn't be a possibility! Only straight guys can be real rappers. Gays obviously would just be in it for the money and fame! Hmm, seem to remember similar claims about white rappers a while ago...

In fact, maybe you should be impressed by Caushun' bravery. You point out that the rap world is vastly homophobic, yet here he is as an unflinching gay guy doing rap. I'd think you'd appreciate someone taking a stand like that in a world you admit is so hostile towards homosexuality is certainly brave.

If you don't think he's talented, that's your opinion, but please stop the bullshit unfounded speculations as to his motivations. Someone could just as easily make the unfounded speculation that your own rap asperations are based on superficial teen angst and a desire just to make money so you can get out of your Philly slum. Not too fair, is it?

	18-07-2003 18:47									#32
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Uh, well. I guess these are the most common for me, in news and analysis. At least weekly. I try to get as broad a view as convenient. Can't be bothered to link though, sorry.

BBC News
Reuters
The Christian Science Monitor (Better than it's name would imply)
The Economist
Google News (For searching)
Eniro Nyhetssök (Ditto)
Dagens Nyheter (Ntl broadsheet. Get the paper version as well, but a lot is available online.)
SVT Text (Several times a day. Short & quick and really good in its niche.)
Journalisten (Media about media)
Svenska Fans (Sports)
Aftonbladet (Sports, or when I just can't help it.)

Then actual paper papers or magazines like Sydsvenska Dagbladet (sort of local), Axess and Scientific American (when I get around to renewing my subscription eventually). Dagens Forskning too was especially good before it went bankrupt.

Generally I'd consider reading news more of a necessary evil than a pleasure. It can be so streamlined and superficial that it bores you a significant chunk toward death. At the same time it's the only way to find out what's happened, but thinking about the time wasted reading other people's opinions and others getting shot or making money or concocting future scandals... Luckily I'm not depressive, so the thoughts don't linger.

	18-07-2003 19:06									#33
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fine boris you proved me wrong in that there is a gay rapper... you do understand my doubts though... i mean when someone (who knows nothing about rap) just says, "there's a rising gay rapper" it does sound like that person mis-interpreted something. my apologies for doubting that fact... that does not however change the point that the rap industry is hostile to homosexuality... the reason why you brought up him in the other thread was to make the point that even rappers and their listeners are pro-gay and that point is not true as i said in this thread despite there being a gay rapper or two.


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	18-07-2003 19:17									#34
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AS has a valid point. The rap industry has exhibited many forms of intolerence. Gays being a major one. Gay rappers being "on the rise" (interesting terminology BTW) is simply a mainstreaming of a popular musical genre. I do disagree that it is true that ALL rap listners are anti-gay. I think Boris has provided ample evidence of this.

	18-07-2003 20:52									#35
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I still don't think that you can consider Caushun a "rising" rapper. He gets all of his press because he is a gay rapper, not because he is particularly good or popular in the hip-hop community. He's nothing more than a human interest story.

	18-07-2003 22:08									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer the reason why you brought up him in the other thread was to make the point that even rappers and their listeners are pro-gay and that point is not true as i said in this thread despite there being a gay rapper or two.

That's not true. I brought him up to highlight changing attitudes towards homosexuality within even the urban black setting. Could Caushun or any gay rapper be out and performing with any credibility 5 years ago? No. The very fact that he exists and is being successful shows that attitudes, while not "pro-gay," are not quite as homophobic as they once were.

This is, of course, besides the fact that the attitudes of urban poor blacks and other minorities aren't representative of national sentiment, whatever you think of their representing the "proletariat."

	18-07-2003 22:14									#37
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Boris, I do not think this is a battle you can win. Maybe in another five years there'll be more gay rappers.

	18-07-2003 22:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Boris, I do not think this is a battle you can win. Maybe in another five years there'll be more gay rappers.

"Win" what? My point stands that even the historically homophobic urban rap community isn't as bad as it used to be, so the trend indicates it will continue to get better. Considering that's all I was saying, I think I've adequately proven my case, as PLATO points out.

Of course, AS is diverting attention to the crux of the entire argument before, which was the dramatically increased acceptance of homosexuality among Americans in general. It's indisputable, but he lays claim to an (unsupported) notion that there's some great silent majority out there who are anti-gay but just aren't speaking out about it or voting about it. That was where this got started in the other thread.

	19-07-2003 04:03									#39
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www.walla.co.il
www.ynet.co.il
cnn.com
nytimes.com
aldaily.com
various Israeli news forums for important but downplayed stuff.
space.com
newscientist.com
Apolyton and various other forums of course.

Once a week or so I do a major sweep of over 30 newspaper sites from around the world, opening a trillion of news reports and reading until my interest wanes.

	19-07-2003 07:01									#40
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boris - win the argument that this rapper is any good or not. Not that the climate is improving for gays or not in the hip hop community.

	19-07-2003 07:10									#41
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I don´t think the climate has ever been good for gays in the rap community... I heard some lyrics from several others and a lot of it is homophobic. Anyways, what difference does it make? It shouldn´t matter if the guy is gay or not... just as long as his music is good for the audience that would listen.

	19-07-2003 08:35									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I tried being more mellow with people... but that is not enough for the great old Boris.

Hey, what's this now -- a heretic who refuses to conduct himself to Bori's standards?

	19-07-2003 09:00									#43
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	19-07-2003 09:03									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Nothing is ever enough.

By the way, are you still giving "helicopter" lessons?

	19-07-2003 09:04									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun By the way, are you still giving "helicopter" lessons?

You might aswell ask me out.. lol...

	19-07-2003 09:04									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You might aswell ask me out.. lol...

no thanks

	19-07-2003 09:05									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun no thanks

Please?

	19-07-2003 09:05									#48
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when gay guys have a 'cat'-fight is there a chance they'll kiss?

	19-07-2003 09:08									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer when gay guys have a 'cat'-fight is there a chance they'll kiss?

Got in a fight with my SO in Argentina... that is what ended up happening.. A lip lock...

	19-07-2003 09:15									#50
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oh my god... i guess i did basically ask for that flamboyance

	19-07-2003 09:17									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer oh my god... i guess i did basically ask for that flamboyance

Yeah you did... Because if you didn't, I would of never said that.