20-07-2003 02:32									#31
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Go IJN.

	20-07-2003 02:36									#33
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They still call it the Imperial Japanese Navy?

	20-07-2003 02:37									#34
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I don't think so.

	20-07-2003 02:43									#35
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Then what is MS talking about?

	20-07-2003 02:53									#36
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He's being ironic. I think.

	20-07-2003 03:49									#37
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It's KJ or something similiar, not IJN. KaigunJieitai

	20-07-2003 04:01									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley [quote=article] Japanese naval officers call the new ships "destroyers" instead of "aircraft carriers" in an effort to dampen opposition within Japan from critics who are against enhanced defense and from China and the two Koreas.

no comment [/QUOTE]

The UK govt pulled a similar stunt, referring to Invincible class carriers as "through deck cruisers".

Not as small as these proposed Japanese vessels - but again, primary role is ASW platform.

	20-07-2003 05:05									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: *cough*North Korea*cough* These carriers aren't meant to deal with North Korea; NK is well within the range of Japanese land-based air power. These carriers are meant for protecting sea lanes against an improving Chinese navy.

The DPRK has the fourth largest submarine fleet in the world. (mostly commando subs). STOVL carriers would, as has been pointed out, increase ASW capabilities while adding a modest combat role for the fleet.

	20-07-2003 05:15									#40
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quote: The DPRK has the fourth largest submarine fleet in the world. (mostly commando subs). STOVL carriers would, as has been pointed out, increase ASW capabilities while adding a modest combat role for the fleet.

I doubt these carriers are meant to counter North Korean subs; it'd be cheaper to beef up Japan's land-based ASW forces. No, I'm pretty sure this move is meant to counter China and its attempts to build a blue-water navy.

BTW, does anyone know if China ever bought that Kiev-class carrier off the Russians? I don't remember for sure.

quote: It's KJ or something similiar, not IJN. KaigunJieitai

You could've given the English translation, MtG. As it is, only about 5 people on the board can read that.

	20-07-2003 05:17									#41
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It's called the JMSDF, as I said.

Or, "Japanese Maritime self-defense Force"

	20-07-2003 05:20									#42
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That's what gaijin call it.

	20-07-2003 06:00									#43
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The ships are neede to protect Japan's sea connection with it's Pacific island colonies. The biggest one is called "Australia" I believe.

	20-07-2003 07:07									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Sava It's just like in that South Park episode, "Chinpoko mon"! They failed in their attempt to take over the youth of America with trendy cartoons and merchandise, so now they are building carriers to finish Pearl Harbor off!

I loved that episode. "We could never take over America because your penis is so much larger then ours."

	20-07-2003 07:45									#45
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Stan's Mom: You're just saying that to distract us!
*Japanese man drops pants.

"Oh...oh Jesus, I'm sorry."

	20-07-2003 18:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove The ships are neede to protect Japan's sea connection with it's Pacific island colonies. The biggest one is called "Australia" I believe.

hi ,

, one would think that it would be hawai , ..... they have a huge population of jap citizens , ......

anyway , asw , agreed that land based can do a lot , but think of search and rescue , humanitarian mission , etc , .......

then you need a carrier , the thai got the one they have mainly for border patrol and the fight against pirates , ......

have a nice day

	20-07-2003 20:10									#47
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quote: Originally posted by panag the fight against pirates , ......

Seems like I remember seeing something about how this is a growing problem. Particularly with oil tankers. Isn't China involved in buying some of that black market crude?

	20-07-2003 20:22									#48
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 Seems like I remember seeing something about how this is a growing problem. Particularly with oil tankers. Isn't China involved in buying some of that black market crude?

hi ,

yep , they got cought allready several times , they even sended a general to court ones , in singapore , .......

the straits of madalacca are the no two in the world when it comes to traffic , and the no one spot for missing ships and cargo , ....

since malaysia does next to nothing , .... thailand takes over the role of policing that part in the world , .....

if the thai would only build a canal , ...... that would save a lot of money and troubles

have a nice day

	20-07-2003 20:27									#49
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quote: Originally posted by panag ...if the thai would only build a canal , ...... that would save a lot of money and troubles...

Check out the geography Panag. A canal across that Isthmus would be MAJOR - maybe not quite as impressive as Panama but pretty close.

Thailand's got major problems apart from worrying about other people's ships... maybe an IMF loan to cover it, but that's an awful lot of money.

	20-07-2003 20:36									#50
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A quick google turned up the following:

http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/imb_pirac...racy_report.asp

This is just the latest week's alert. Seems as if this is a major concern in the SE Asia shipping lanes. With Japan's serious lack of resources, perhaps it is a necessary thing for them to have these carriers in the sea lanes.

One interesting thing from the report was when a master of a ship tried to call for help and their was no answer from the Thai authorities.

A bigger question is: Why hasn't the UNSC addressed this problem and developed an anti-piracy task force to deal with it?

	20-07-2003 23:49									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Check out the geography Panag. A canal across that Isthmus would be MAJOR - maybe not quite as impressive as Panama but pretty close. Thailand's got major problems apart from worrying about other people's ships... maybe an IMF loan to cover it, but that's an awful lot of money.

hi ,

been there , seen even the start of it , .....

it would still be cheaper and provide loads of jobs , less problems , etc , only huge benefits

and they dont have to build so many locks as panama , ....

anyway , there are about a thousand and one studies and plans , they have started to dig twice in the last 150 years , both times they gave up after less then a mile , ......




have a nice day

	21-07-2003 00:00									#52
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 A quick google turned up the following: http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/imb_pirac...racy_report.asp This is just the latest week's alert. Seems as if this is a major concern in the SE Asia shipping lanes. With Japan's serious lack of resources, perhaps it is a necessary thing for them to have these carriers in the sea lanes. One interesting thing from the report was when a master of a ship tried to call for help and their was no answer from the Thai authorities. A bigger question is: Why hasn't the UNSC addressed this problem and developed an anti-piracy task force to deal with it?

hi ,

the us is in the region , aldo limited cause they are occupied with other things , ......

the french where there also , but there are limits on what you can do , especially with all the ops in the world going on , ....

have a nice one

	21-07-2003 00:08									#53
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Perhaps a canal is the solution. It seemed from the map that most attacks took place on the route that a canal would avoid.

	21-07-2003 00:11									#54
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Pirates? Do they have those really cool skull & cross bones flags?

	21-07-2003 02:21									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: It's KJ or something similiar, not IJN. KaigunJieitai You could've given the English translation, MtG. As it is, only about 5 people on the board can read that.

Not my problem. If he'd asked what we call it, instead of what it's called, then he could have got the hakujin translation.

	21-07-2003 02:31									#56
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , , one would think that it would be hawai , ..... they have a huge population of jap citizens , ...... have a nice day

Yes, but they bought up Australia during their heydays in the 1980s. That much is common knowledge.