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Would you be likely to vote for General Wesley Clark? (Time out:0 days after 21-07-2003, 04:55)
I am a Democrat, and I would vote for Wesley Clark
I am a Democrat, and I would vote for Wesley Clark if my chosen candidate dropped
I am a Democrat, and I would not vote for Wesley Clark
I am a Republican, and I would vote for Wesley Clark
I am a Republican, and I would vote for Wesley Clark over other dems, but not Pres Bush
I am a Republican, and I would not vote for Wesley Clark
I am a non-Dem/Rep liberal, and I would vote for Wesley Clark
I am a non-Dem/Rep liberal, and I would vote for Wesley Clark if my chosen candidate dropped
I am a non-Dem/Rep liberal, and I would not vote for Wesley Clark
I am a non-Dem/Rep conservative, and I would vote for Wesley Clark
I am a non-Dem/Rep conservative, and I would vote for Wesley Clark over other dems, but not Pres Bush
I am a non-Dem/Rep conservative, and I would not vote for Wesley Clark
I am not American, but would vote for Wesley Clark
I am not American, but would vote for Wesley Clark if my candidate dropped
I am not American, but I would vote for Wesley Clark over other dems, but not Bush
I am not American, and I would not vote for Wesley Clark
I would like to vote for General Banana over any of these candidates
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Though if I could ONLY vote for a Democrat, I'd vote Dean, of course, I don't know if Clark is more centrist or not.
Wow, I'm surprised. I would have figured you for a Lieberman lover. I thought Republicans wanted to paint Dean with the "Leftist" brush.

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That's not just fluff. That's a seriously opinionated position to make, right there; one that he could catch a lot of guff for, I'd think.


A lot of politicians in both parties have come out against the embargo, but very few have done so while they are running for president lest they throw away the Cuban vote in Florida. It's an easy position to take, as most Americans are against the embargo, and unless you are running in Florida or New Jersey there isn't much of a downside. The real test will be whether he maintains that position, or allows the party platform (or some other machination) to negate this position as the election heats up in the fall.

The problem with career military people running for office is that they don't have a political track record. They may show themselves to be excellent administrators (or not), leaders etc., but how much they actually care about a particular issue is very difficult to gauge when they haven't ever had to balance policy A against policy B in a compromise. I'd feel a lot better about him if he were running for congress or a governorship instead of going immediately for the top position, as we would be able to get a much better sense of him once he has established a political record at a lower level of government.

His experiences as NATO commander are all to the good, as he obviously has some experience dealing with dimplomacy and international organizations in general, and NATO (and Europeans) in detail. However I'd like to know more about him before I even consider voting for him. He has been playing things very coyly on the talk shows, evading a lot of questions in his interview with Tim Russert for example. I usually only expect that from sitting officeholders. His criticism of Bush was quite cogent, but that is very easy to do. I'd be impressed if he managed to articulate a coherent policy on the macro level, but he hasn't yet done that. The information provided above is quite indicative of what I have seen from him. While everything sounds good, you can't really connect the dots and figure out what he would actually do. He doesn't stand out from other politicians running for office in this regard, but they have a political track record which I can judge, and he does not.

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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous

Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton




Gen. Wesley Clark has the best handle on international relations and on the military than any of the people running (including W). But I've never heard him comment on domestic issues and have no idea where he stands on any of them.

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Originally posted by Sikander


A lot of politicians in both parties have come out against the embargo, but very few have done so while they are running for president lest they throw away the Cuban vote in Florida. It's an easy position to take, as most Americans are against the embargo, and unless you are running in Florida or New Jersey there isn't much of a downside. The real test will be whether he maintains that position, or allows the party platform (or some other machination) to negate this position as the election heats up in the fall.

The problem with career military people running for office is that they don't have a political track record. They may show themselves to be excellent administrators (or not), leaders etc., but how much they actually care about a particular issue is very difficult to gauge when they haven't ever had to balance policy A against policy B in a compromise. I'd feel a lot better about him if he were running for congress or a governorship instead of going immediately for the top position, as we would be able to get a much better sense of him once he has established a political record at a lower level of government.

His experiences as NATO commander are all to the good, as he obviously has some experience dealing with dimplomacy and international organizations in general, and NATO (and Europeans) in detail. However I'd like to know more about him before I even consider voting for him. He has been playing things very coyly on the talk shows, evading a lot of questions in his interview with Tim Russert for example. I usually only expect that from sitting officeholders. His criticism of Bush was quite cogent, but that is very easy to do. I'd be impressed if he managed to articulate a coherent policy on the macro level, but he hasn't yet done that. The information provided above is quite indicative of what I have seen from him. While everything sounds good, you can't really connect the dots and figure out what he would actually do. He doesn't stand out from other politicians running for office in this regard, but they have a political track record which I can judge, and he does not.


I am satisfied with this response.

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Oct 2000
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No more Arkansas presidents especially democrat ones.

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Hey, come on, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.

You know, his wife.

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Well we will never know unless he runs..........although he appears to be Highly Photogenic compared to some of the other Dem candidates

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But just LOOK at him...



He just looks like a President, no?

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Yes, I think all Presidential elections should now be decided by appearance, not platform or policy. It's just common sense, people!

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Hey, come on, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.

You know, his wife.



I'm afraid to have my state unleash another of its democrats upon the nation. Then again, after Clintion, Clark would have a wide leeway in his office practices.

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No more Arkansas presidents especially democrat ones.
I agree... Texas and Arkansas should be banned from fielding presidential candidates! Maybe New York if Hillary ever gets ideas.

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I agree... Texas and Arkansas should be banned from fielding presidential candidates! Maybe New York if Hillary ever gets ideas.


Sava
do U think she would get elected there seems to be alot of people who dislike her. Who do U think would be her Vp?

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Who do U think would be her Vp?
Satan? I dunno

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do U think she would get elected there seems to be alot of people who dislike her
she'd get elected faster than slick Willy drops his pants for an intern...

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Hillary would make a good VP for Clark

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Sod all this. Jed Bartlet for President!

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I would have figured you for a Lieberman lover.


Bah! Lieberman is a ****. CENSOR THIS, Joe!

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Sep 1999
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Bah! Lieberman is a ****. CENSOR THIS, Joe!
Agreed. However, aside from his "issues" with video games, he is one of the more sensible Democratic candidates IMO. That maybe damning him with faint praise considering the people running for the Dem nomination so far.

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No, I still wouldn't vote for him .

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I can't support one who believes men in suits have the right to place laws on the female body in the name of some hypocritical "right to life". Eventually this socially-authoritarian attitude will go away, and America's educational and health care systems will evolve to the point where people can be educated and responsible with their sexuality... where hypocritical politicians aren't telling young adults that abstinence is the only way. Ahh yes... the day there are no abortions will be a great one. But the solution isn't to force your sick, twisted view of morality on other people... it's to educate and provide methods of safe sexual lifestyles to people, so that unwanted pregnancies never occur.

But then again, some people want to threaten with laws and twisted religious views, and others want to find a practical and moral solution.


It still isn't a constitutional right. It's a legislative issue. So regulating it shouldn't be unconstitutional. Whether or not it is bad should be up to state legilatures.

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No, I still wouldn't vote for him .
That's OK. I wouldn't vote for Dean.

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all I know, is I wish the democrats would put somone up.

I'm really starting to get unhappy with George W. Bush. I like his tough stance on foreign affairs and terrorism (though he could have had a tough stance befor 9/11- that would have impressed me).

There just seems to be too much bad influence with Bush that I don't like.

Of course democrats are the same way unfortunately.

Isn't it possible to have a president who isn't influenced by special interest groups, but influenced directly by the people?

All I know, is I'm prepared to vote Bush out now. Even if I have to vote for the green party

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Same as most I don't know much of Clark's standpoints. But he seems a very reasonable man from the columns he used to write for The Times during the Iraq War. Pro-war, but not jingoistically so, sensitive of culutural issues (which doesn't really correlate with the Easter bombing) and generally a decent sort. President? Who knows...

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Isn't it possible to have a president who isn't influenced by special interest groups, but influenced directly by the people?
You don't want a President that is influenced by the people but you want a President that is influenced by the people.

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I want a president who listens to the people, not a few high priced business men with lots of campaign money.

I would ban campaign contributions completely.

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I would ban campaign contributions completely.
Now you want to reduce the role of people in politics further?

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Campaign contributions are a constitutional right that fall under freedom of expression. Whether or not they're good, I don't know, but I think it's a "slippery slope" sort of thing.

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If you see the fetus as a part of the woman's body, would you agree that it is worng to try someone for murder if they kill a fetus?

 
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