06-08-2003 17:03									#61
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quote: Russia invites The United states of America to an alliance against The german empire and the Austro-Hungarian empire, for a price if USA desires

The Magnanimous AMERICAN EMPIRE has no interest in participate in these stupid and childish pan-european wars were powerful empires fight for a piece of land smaller than the state of Delaware.
Go on with your carnage, old europe fellas! we have more important things to do (like conquer Mexico)

	06-08-2003 17:09									#62
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We assume that the AMERICAN EMPIRE is just scared to join this so called "childish" war?

	06-08-2003 21:43									#63
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Ok will do my turn in a few minutes I hope I can safely navigate through the jungle of all the updates and end with the right version

Oh and how about The United states of America join an alliance against The Entente and the backward and desolate Russians for a price if USA desires

Oh and about the Entente in Wien, Berlin, Ankara Good joke

"Austrian soldier to his mum: Could you plz show me the way to Paris?"
Mum: No problem son, just follow the mass of Frenchies running back you can't miss it

	06-08-2003 22:33									#64
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Aaand here's my turn. Wow a long time ago till I said this sentence the last tme

Emperor Galvy I. said:
The Austrian army is regrouping after the savage and brutally attack of Russia. In this attack we see the true savage nature behind Russia. All Austria wanted was a compensation after the Serb (nothing more than Russian puppets) assassinated our heir to the thrown. We know this plot was covered and sanctioned by Serbia therefore we wanted to closer investigate the matter but then the whole conspiracy revealed:

Not only Serbia but also the UK, France and Russia stand behind the assassination and they only waited for the right moment to strike into Austrian heartland and dismantle our glorious nation.

We call to all noble Nations in Europe to bind together and battle these conspirators. We fight for our survival, nothing else we are threatened in our existence and we will fight back with everything we have in our arsenal to defend the honour and integrity of our nation.

"Austrians, Italians, Hungarians and Slaws in our country, raise to arms and defend your homecountry against foreign invaders trying to destroy everything in which you believe. Austria will stand as one Nation with one language and one common goal.

Austria to arms!!!

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	06-08-2003 23:31									#65
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ehhh.....

Galvatron, download the new events file specialized for PBEM play.

It will be no problem for the rest of us as i will clear the events of your savegame and post my turn as normal, so my save game wll have the right events in it.

	06-08-2003 23:43									#66
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Sorry Galv, it is Stalin's mistake after all.

Not a mistake really since it can easily be corrected.
Turn coming up in a few minutes.

	06-08-2003 23:44									#67
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What did I do wrong?

	06-08-2003 23:47									#68
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I downloaded the new events file?

	07-08-2003 11:38									#69
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As Pericles had problems logging in to this site he asked me to post his german turn.

@ Galvatron:

quote: BTW i have gifted 5 units to Austria.This had a result that the Austrians acquire the "German Empire" tech via a breakthrough(it happens some times when a civ gives units to another) and can now build German infantry. I think that is not right for them to build these, so inform Galvatron that he may not build any of these German units and only use the ones i will give him as gifts.

GERMAN TURN OCTOBER 1914

In a series of well planed offensives the German army has penetrated as far as the outskirts of Le Havre.
The allied armies fought bravely but were no match for Germany's well drilled and trained men. Casualities were high.

On 06.00 hours on Octomber the 24th the city of Verdun fell. After resisting some initial bombardment, the french defenders succumbed to a bayonet attack by the infantry. More than 40.000 men(2 divisions) passed captive into German hands.

Allied defensive positions were attacked all over the western front, as reinforcements continued to be transferred from the rear.

On the Ostfront a Zepellin squadron bombarded some Russian possitions to the north of Warsaw. Emperor Pericles could not be left unmoved by Austria's plight. 5 infantry divisions were released and sent immediately to Austria-Hungary's defence, along with a shipwright comitee that gave Austrian engineers mastery over the new drednaught class ship. This was deemed essential as Italy's entry to the war and her large battle fleet seems imminent.

A full scientific delegation reached Constantinople on the 29th of October providing Turkish scientists with the plans of Zeppelin construction and instructed Goverment officials on new ways to improve the collapsing Ottoman economy by the utilisation of fertilizers and the introduction of regional trade.


OTTOMAN TURN OCTOBER 1914

Reinforcements sent to Jerusalem to secure the Suez Channel. Troops marched into Serbia from Sofia.

	07-08-2003 19:06									#70
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About the problem i mentioned:

In the save game i downloaded negotiations were not permited.So i deducted that Galv didn't replace his events.

But then i downloaded Stalin's turn and the problem was there too.
Stalin you may have downloaded the new events, but have you deleted the old ones? And of course renamed the pbemevents.txt to events.txt

BTW Stephan thanks for posting my turn.

	07-08-2003 20:04									#71
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Pahh.....
Foolish me.
I just noticed that Stalin posted his turn BEFORE Jim posted the new events.So he has propably done everything right except from being hasty.

No big deal anyway, i have used DELEVENT on the save and now the pbem events are saved in it.

	07-08-2003 20:46									#72
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Im sorry, i didnt know he would be posting a pbem events...

	07-08-2003 22:10									#73
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Bad news guys...

After playing some turns in singleplayer i found a number of "unpleasant" characteristics in the scenario... i don´t feel comfortable with the situation

1) I can´t build engineers... how will I improve my infraestructure without engineers? i can´t biuld irrigation, farms or roads...
2) No freigths... no commerce in this game? the war bonds aren´t enough
3) 20 shields per row in the production box!! building new units takes too much time!!! it should be 10 or 12 in my opinion
4) Support vs. Production situation...
In many cities the situations looks like this:
15 support vs. 1 production shield


Nothing personal against you Stephan, but i feel very uncomfortable with the current design of the scenario...
I´m considering not playing my turn... sorry, i think i´ll quit.

	07-08-2003 22:12									#74
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Its your choise
We need someone now....

	07-08-2003 22:52									#75
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quote: Originally posted by academia 1) I can´t build engineers... how will I improve my infraestructure without engineers? i can´t biuld irrigation, farms or roads...

It is supposed to be a WW1 scenario.Although admitedly existing farms and roads should be more.

quote: 2) No freigths... no commerce in this game? the war bonds aren´t enough

Agree on that one. I think the swiss army thing is an excess.
Replace with a trade unit. As for Switzerland just place a fortress on the central rivered mountain tile with three infantry units on it.

quote: 3) 20 shields per row in the production box!! building new units takes too much time!!! it should be 10 or 12 in my opinion

Yes....perhaps the costs of american units is too much.
For some artillerys too.

quote: 4) Support vs. Production situation... In many cities the situations looks like this: 15 support vs. 1 production shield

Well it is a democracy......

	08-08-2003 02:33									#76
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I suppose we could let Stalin control the US.
They will most propably enter the war on the Entente side anyway.

Or Galv assumes their control passing control of austria to jim panse.

	08-08-2003 02:49									#77
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quote: It is supposed to be a WW1 scenario.Although admitedly existing farms and roads should be more.

People still need farms to produce food and feed themselves. And armies need roads to move faster their troops to fight in the front.

quote: Well it is a democracy......

I´m criticizing the fact that many cities BEGIN the game in this conditions... how can i grow/produce/build/improve my country if my production shields are used to support so many units?
I didn´t plan that... it´s not a consequence of my strategy, decissions, behaviour in the game.

Again, this is just my point of view

	08-08-2003 03:17									#78
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Yes but how could one forbid these engineers build new cities?
Actually i NEVER build anything but units and roads in scenarios(barracks and city walls too-sometimes) so i can not be objective in this one.
I fail to see why someone would bother building farmlands in a war scenario.
I mean, i don't even build hapiness improvements i just let cities starve.

As for the support thing i can see your point.Perhaps if some American units had NONE as their home city.

	08-08-2003 09:01									#79
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How about if FiGu controls USA?

	09-08-2003 05:19									#80
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I've no problem with that, but wouldn't controlling so many(and large) civs become a bit tedius for him?

If he agrees, i agree too.

	09-08-2003 11:32									#81
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True palailogos, Lets see if FiGu accepts

	09-08-2003 12:11									#82
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My fellow Civ2 gamers, i´ll be out untill Wednesday. Regards, Stephan

	09-08-2003 14:46									#83
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I looked at the US-side of the world and I've agree with academia on some points. The 60 cost for Inf is a little bit too high and look at US-city Wilmington:
All ships are homed to the port and the city only has one shield left. It's common practise for scenarios to give the start-units a "NONE" so the player has full control over what to build.

I agree with Palaiologos that Engineers aren't really necessary it's a war game and Engineers would take up one unit slot but in my opinion the cities would need more irrigation as above all the Austrian cities are close to starvation (only one or even none food left) and perhaps some mines to boost industry.

It's a good scen and with these changes it would be even better

	09-08-2003 15:08									#84
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Well the changes can only be made next week

	09-08-2003 15:52									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Stalin II Well the changes can only be made next week

Jup clear because the creator himself is out of town but of course we can continue this turn how it is now and maybe Stefan can make the changes when he returns I'm sure one or two turns won't do much harm.

Oh and I declare that I'm completely confused now Who is who? after so much changes and proposals to changes Perhaps someone could post a new and updated playerlist. Or it is just me that can't follow this one, me and my addled brain

	09-08-2003 16:52									#86
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Thing is Galvy that if the changes happen, we must start a new game.

As for who is who there are not any changes.
Apart form Academia leaving the USA, that is.

	09-08-2003 19:00									#87
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We dont have to start a new game if he updates it... We'll just go on with it.

	09-08-2003 21:22									#88
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But if existing infastructure is improved, units get a NONE home city, swiss army becomes a trade unit then these changes wil NOT be included in our current saved game.

Apart from the Swiss borders being guarded by elite merchant units that is.

	09-08-2003 22:34									#89
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Guys:
If Jim Panse updates the game, i´m willing to use USA.

	09-08-2003 23:23									#90
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Good deal, shall we just wait?