30-07-2003 22:26									#31
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Ok, here's a first draft for our public statement, once we are ready to make it.

To the Peoples of the World,

It is with sadness that the citizens of Legoland have watched the tense situation across the sea continue to degrade further and further. War is a tragic event, and to witness one grow larger and larger by the day is all the more heartbreaking.

Though we are reluctant to join conflict, we are not unwilling. If we see that the world sways precariously out of balance, we would be foolish to not act. Thus the people of Legoland have reached a critical moment in their history, and act we must.

As of 9:30 this morning, Legos the Wise has given orders that put all Lego forces on high alert. Should Gathering Storm continue to try and establish a military presence on the continent of Bob, Lego Expeditionary Forces will be deployed to assist the nations of Glory of War and Neu Demogyptica in driving them back to the sea.

We sincerely hope it will not come to such measures, but if peace cannot be maintained through words, then it must be maintained through arms.

Thank You,
ZargonX,
President of Legoland

Last edited by ZargonX on 31-07-2003 at 08:10

	30-07-2003 22:44									#32
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I had forgotten about the Grt Lighthouse; so that is a very good point. But getting them closer to Navigation is of some concern.

I guess GS response to our "official" response will dicatate the future of our agreement. If we do not honor the agreement, then we would have to compensate GS after the war.

In other words, if it benefits us now, than we should NOT honor the agreement (it is WAR, after all). But when peach comes about, eventually, we would have to compensate GS to balance the agreement.

	30-07-2003 22:51									#33
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Yes, I think GS' response to our declaration will hope solidify how this deal will play out. I think a single tech deal being broken will look sort of minor in the grand scheme of things

	31-07-2003 07:28									#34
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I'd take out the second paragraph. There's been enough bickering and hard feelings over PAs already, IMO; let's learn from GoW by just making our ultimatum and waiting for a response. Rather than having a pointless 6-page thread arguing over legality, morality, and analogies.

	31-07-2003 07:43									#35
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I agree with Kloreep. No sense adding to the bickering that is going on in that GoW ultimatum thread - take out the 2nd paragraph.

	31-07-2003 08:12									#36
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2nd paragraph removed! You're right, that probably would have been what everyone focused on anyway...

	31-07-2003 10:04									#37
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I just love how "Lego Expeditionary Forces" sounds

	31-07-2003 12:59									#38
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I like it. Both the LEF sound and the announcement as a whole.

	31-07-2003 13:15									#39
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On the subject of the LEF, I think it should origionally consist of a Settler, Worker and 4 Mercs (unless we got Gunpowder by then).

Does building a fort on a hill before building a city make any difference?

City should build walls then a barracks. Maybe then even a temple to ward of culture flip if its a risk...

	31-07-2003 13:32									#40
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I believe a harbor after the barracks would be best.

IMO:
First transport: (2 galleys): a settler, a worker, 2 mercs.
Second transport: (2 caravels) 2 mercs + 4 knights
3rd transport: (hopefully 3 caravels) 2 mercs + 7 knights; or perhaps some catapults, too.

Edit: on a second thought, maybe we shouldn't send the settler and worker in the first transport. We don't want our presense on Bob to be noticed yet. So maybe 4 knigths would be better.

	31-07-2003 14:49									#41
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Well we don't necessarily have to found a city the moment we get there but we will want to ASAP when our intentions are known.

I like your 3 transport plan although I would stick to the Knights early on until we decide exactly what we will have to do.

	31-07-2003 18:11									#42
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The worker can go in first to start any improvements. The city can be founded later.

	31-07-2003 18:24									#43
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Another idea... some of our workers might help building roads or improvements where ND would need them... they are faster than native Arab. workers...

	31-07-2003 19:24									#44
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True true, although I wouldn't like any of our workers to be captured in enemy territory!!!

	01-08-2003 02:42									#45
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I am posting this chatlog here, rather than in one of the ND/GoW F.A. threads:

quote: Session Start: Thu Jul 31 19:44:03 2003 Session Ident: #gow_cofa * Now talking in #gow_cofa vondrack: * Panzer32 sets mode: +o vondrack vondrack: may I ask a preliminary question about your research? Panzer32: sure vondrack: how long before you finish Invention (at the current sci rate)? vondrack: and how long at 100%? Panzer32: 11 turns as of last turn, but we hope to increase with our GA vondrack: that's great news Panzer32: 100%... Panzer32: one minute vondrack: k vondrack: and tell me how much gpt you'd need to balance your cashflow then vondrack: btw - not in your GA yet? Panzer32: at 100%, it is 7 turns with -60gpt (currently running at -11gpt) Panzer32: not yet but most likely next turn vondrack: may I invite ZargonX? vondrack: he's online Panzer32: go ahead vondrack: will be here for the chat, too vondrack: thanks * ZargonX has joined #gow_cofa vondrack: see, I am thinking of speeding your research as much as possible, getting Invention from you just after we finish Astronomy vondrack: and then doing Gunpowder as fast as possible vondrack: providing it to you & ND ZargonX: isn't there a way to hide this channel? * Retrieving #gow_cofa info... vondrack: I think it is already hidden vondrack: or, "secret" ZargonX: ok, good * vondrack sets mode: +o ZargonX ZargonX: don't want anyone wandering in here to see what's up vondrack: right, definitely * Panzer32 sets mode: +k jduf vondrack: we should perhaps revisit the idea after you get into your GA, Panzer Panzer32: thats the password vondrack: you may be just fast enough for us vondrack: then vondrack: Astronomy in 5 here Panzer32: ah vondrack: but do not tell GS... Panzer32: yes vondrack: and we could probably use a turn or two with 100% tax anyway Panzer32: btw, do you guys have embassies with either GS or RP? ZargonX: no, we do not vondrack: nope vondrack: do we allow Trip here? Panzer32: sure vondrack: k * Trip has joined #gow_cofa Panzer32: busy for a couple minutes... ZargonX: I am expecting a maintainance man at my apartment, so please excuse me if I have to duck out suddenly vondrack: k ZargonX: I guess ND will be here soon vondrack: I hope so vondrack: in the meantime... Panzer, will you mind if we establish an embassy with you this turn? it will be necessary for RoP Panzer32: thats fine ZargonX: ZargonX: excellent Panzer32: unbusy btw vondrack: ok, that's 69 gold... first alliance costs * [ND]Darekill has joined #gow_cofa [ND]Darekill: Hi! vondrack: hello! ZargonX: hello, Darekill! Panzer32: hi Darekill [ND]Darekill: Hi Gow, Legos, Friends vondrack: [ND]Darekill: I'm waiting for some more of my people to show up vondrack: of course, take your time ZargonX: oh, excuse me for a bit, everyone * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|maintainence vondrack: Darekill, can you tell Zayxus to come here, please? * Zayxus has joined #gow_cofa vondrack: great [ND]Darekill: I told him as you can see * vondrack sets mode: +ooo Trip Zayxus [ND]Darekill vondrack: * Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus Panzer32: Master Zen is unfortunatly probably unable to make the chat vondrack: we (Lego) will not use the team prefixes... someone could take the hint... [ND]Darekill: having some flamewars to lead vondrack: hehe vondrack: it is ridiculous... Panzer32: Shall we start now? [ND]Darekill: Yes let's start. vondrack: ok [ND]Darekill: maybe borc will show up but I don'T know when vondrack: who's going to take the lead? Panzer32: I can vondrack: k, go ahead Panzer32: There are currently two different opionions in GoW about Legoland helping us Panzer32: one is that Legoland should immediatly start transporting troops to Bob (of which I am myself a supporter) * redstar1 has joined #gow_cofa redstar1: heyy redstar1: hey trip, fancy seeing you here vondrack: hey, redstar! silence, please Panzer32: the other is that Legoland should lie low until they can help in a major way, i.e. invasion of Estormia. redstar1: :X vondrack: ok, let me point out one thing, plese vondrack: *please Panzer32: go ahead vondrack: we are NOT going to invade Stormia * Panzer32 sets mode: +o redstar1 vondrack: not now, not later Panzer32: ok vondrack: our goal is to help you on Bob Panzer32: I didn't think so [ND]Darekill: I did vondrack: vondrack: ok, this leaves one option out, I guess... Panzer32: I guess it does [ND]Darekill: We have no Problem in leaving you a city in the south for the planned expedition force. vondrack: ok, fine, that will make things easier * [ND]Borc has joined #gow_cofa vondrack: we will not need it immediately, but I am glad you do not mind vondrack: gimme three minutes to eat my supper, please Panzer32: Where is it that you plan to ferry troops across? Panzer32: sure [ND]Darekill: do you plan to keep it after the war? * Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc vondrack: no, we would hand it over to you after the war vondrack: we have no desire for a permanent presence on Bob redstar1: or remove it... redstar1: its unlikely to be in an ideal city placement location vondrack: yeah, whatever [ND]Darekill: fine thats even better then. redstar1: i would imagine it would be on a hill vondrack: almost done eating redstar1: anything i've missed while V stuffs his face? vondrack: ok, supper eaten vondrack: may I take the lead now? [ND]Darekill: go ahead. vondrack: thanks vondrack: I would like to use this opportunity to make sure we all understand our goals the same way vondrack: and there is no misunderstanding about the scope of our involvement in the war vondrack: so: vondrack: Legoland will not get directly involved in the war against RP vondrack: unless RP attack us, of course vondrack: Legoland will not invade Stormia, unless GS invades Legos vondrack: for us, the ultimate goal of this war is to have Bob divided between GoW & ND vondrack: sealing GS on Stormia vondrack: getting rid of RP vondrack: Voxes will have Legos Minor vondrack: we will have Legos Major vondrack: once this is achieved, we will consider our goal reached and will reconsider our further involvement vondrack: is this okay with both of your teams? * Donegeal has joined #gow_cofa [ND]Darekill: It is what I expected you will want. * Donegeal is now known as [GoW]Donegeal vondrack: yes - we talked about it during the previous chat [ND]Darekill: one think though is unclear. vondrack: yes? [ND]Darekill: if you want RP gone * Panzer32 sets mode: +o [GoW]Donegeal [ND]Darekill: why not actualy help getting rid of them. vondrack: we would break a treaty [ND]Darekill: That is acceptable. vondrack: to be precise vondrack: there is a date set redstar1: i think we would also be more useful in dealing with GS directly, we have nothing on Bob to defend as such vondrack: after which we would be free to attack vondrack: but it is confidential and not in the near future [ND]Darekill: all right. [ND]Borc: :top: vondrack: now, for the help vondrack: I have PMed both of you (Darekill & Panzer) vondrack: with some ideas vondrack: may I have your comments on them? vondrack: what do you need most? vondrack: or, we might break the discussion into smaller parts vondrack: let's start with easy stuff Panzer32: sure vondrack: LUXURIES: [ND]Darekill: It's Ok. just a few minutes. vondrack: in 5 turns, we will be able to provide both of you with dyes [ND]Darekill: Panzer may start. vondrack: ok Panzer32: yes, we could use them. We were trading with both RP and GS for luxuries so I believe we might run into unhappiness Panzer32: Also, we can easily give you wines in return vondrack: great vondrack: Darekill, what luxury/ies do you have a surplus of? [ND]Darekill: right now we have spices. [ND]Darekill: but soon we will hafe silk too. vondrack: only two of them, right? [ND]Darekill: yes. vondrack: it may be better if you give the extra silk to GoW [ND]Darekill: But therel be diamonds too vondrack: their war weariness will be higher [ND]Darekill: Two first maybe more later and still later we hope to get ivory. [GoW]Donegeal: WW doesn't play as significant a part in MP games... vondrack: ok - we would respectfully ask for whatever luxury you will have more than 2 of... [ND]Darekill: so we give GoW the silk and you the diamonds. Panzer32: (since GoW has diamonds vondrack: [ND]Darekill: is that o.k. with you Panzer? Panzer32: ^ vondrack: ok... I suggest a very simple principle vondrack: for the duration of our alliance vondrack: we share the luxuries "for free" [ND]Darekill: agreed. Panzer32: yes, agreed vondrack: everybody gives whatever is possible vondrack: great vondrack: next point: vondrack: RESEARCH vondrack: what are you, guys, researching? vondrack: I know about GoW [ND]Darekill: We research almost nothing. vondrack: we are doing Astronomy vondrack: ok, that's what we assumed vondrack: it's probably better this way [ND]Darekill: We are with zero Research at Printing Press Panzer32: hey MZ's here! * MasterZen has joined #GoW_CoFA MasterZen: hello everyone vondrack: hello, MZ! redstar1: hey vondrack: ok, here is an idea: [ND]Darekill: Hello oh great Barbarian brother and hero of the flame wars vondrack: we finish Astronomy in 5 turns * Panzer32 sets mode: +o MasterZen vondrack: that's a solid ETA MasterZen: hahaha, hi Darekill vondrack: we then gift the tech to both of you [GoW]Donegeal: perchance ND and GoW should research (to get two techs instead of one) while Lego funds our war efforts? redstar1: yeah, Zargon is waiting on more lenses being delivered vondrack: and wait for GoW to finish Invention, saving some cash vondrack: once we get Invention, we go full speed for Gunpowder vondrack: (we are the fastest researchers out of us three, I believe) [ND]Darekill: Good we could raise our Research but it'll leave us less money for rushs vondrack: once discovered, you get it from us immediately vondrack: I do not think you need to raise your science, Darekill vondrack: not yet vondrack: nothing to research, actually * GhengisFarb has joined #gow_cofa MasterZen: sounds like a solid plan vondrack: PP is already covered [ND]Darekill: good then we can suport some money when needed. vondrack: we might use some of your gold to speed for the gunpowder as fast as possible once we start researching it vondrack: yes, good vondrack: we understand each other redstar1: gunpowder is key, yeah vondrack: just a sec, I will try to estimate the ETA on gunpowder redstar1: 17? or are my sums out? vondrack: we could do it in 6 turns (right now) , if you help us with cash redstar1: thats been known to happen right enough.. vondrack: add whatever you need to finish Invention redstar1: 7:P * NeMeSiS has joined #gow_cofa vondrack: we would need you to help us with ~85 gpt (to allow running at 100% research) NeMeSiS: hi all vondrack: hi! NeMeSiS: sorry for beeing late GhengisFarb: So are we going to have an official alliance between ND, GoW, and Lego? NeMeSiS: -e vondrack: it may actually be less, since we are finishing some markets and founding some cities and such... * NeMeSiS is now known as [ND]NeMeSiS vondrack: what I am quoting is the status as of this turn vondrack: do you think it would be doable? [ND]Darekill: 85 is a lot of cash though.. vondrack: yes, it is [ND]Darekill: we maybe get 50 vondrack: Panzer? Panzer32: just a sec... vondrack: k [ND]Darekill: We have abour 200 gpT but we need some for rushs vondrack: understood Panzer32: at 0% science we have 66gpt MasterZen: but that's pre-GA vondrack: right... lemme re-check our potential Panzer32: right... Panzer32: estimate maybe 90gpt vondrack: 7 turns for the powder at -66 gpt vondrack: for us now vondrack: should be better when we get to researching it actually vondrack: I suggest we set solid deadlines once GoW enter their GA, ok? Panzer32: ok. Expected GA next turn vondrack: but I take it everybody agrees this is a good idea, right? Panzer32: yeah. Sooner we get Gunpowder = sooner GS' knights are innefective vondrack: yep - that was my thinking vondrack: Darekill? * Panzer32 sets mode: +oo GhengisFarb [ND]NeMeSiS MasterZen: sounds great if you ask me [GoW]Donegeal: you want to really stir things up? How about have Lego talk to Vox to send a single solitary warrior to lego and have it be killed by a NM and have Lego enter a GA as well... MONEY AND RESEARCH ABOUND!!!! vondrack: ummm... that sound too cheesy to me [ND]Darekill: I have four chat channel blinking like crazy.... vondrack: I know it would work, but it is somehow... [GoW]Donegeal: just an idea... vondrack: I would prefer not doing that MasterZen: I think that Lego should hold on to it's GA to a time in which it is more needed vondrack: yes, I think so, too [GoW]Donegeal: more needed? MasterZen: perhaps for a definitive assault on GS in the future... vondrack: plus, we are now expanding a bit - GA later will bring more [ND]Darekill: so now how is the finacial situation. [GoW]Donegeal: IF we loose this war GS will win the game! How much more needed does it need to get? [ND]Darekill: Lego how much do ayou need from us for 100% research and how long. vondrack: ok - Darekill, you cool with the research plan? [ND]Darekill: Yes of course. vondrack: errr... just a sec vondrack: as I said, at this very moment, 100% science would mean -85 gpt for us vondrack: but it will be less after ~7 turns vondrack: which GoW will need to get to Invention [ND]Darekill: how much can GoW give per turn? * GhengisFarb is now known as [GoW]GhengisFarb Panzer32: up to about 90gpt with GA vondrack: My rough estimate is that we will need 60 gpt max Panzer32: I'm just wondering here about invention; will ND give us anything for it? vondrack: we are going to up our commerce a bit in the near future [ND]Darekill: we should share resources and research fairly. [ND]Darekill: We have iron and 200g/t vondrack: yes, I believe this is about US THREE getting the most [ND]Darekill: some luxury and some Ansar. vondrack: this is no time for bargaining over separate deals Panzer32: right. But will we are working in the -gpt to get Invention finished while ND rakes up the cash vondrack: perhaps ND could help you finish Inv in ~7 turns? [ND]Darekill: we always payed fair for what we got didn't we? [ND]Darekill: How much do you need to get out of the .- Panzer Panzer32: of course you did; I'm just making sure my team doesn't fire me MasterZen: I'd rather have ND spend it on Ansars to send to the northeast in case GS lands MasterZen: Ansars are cheap, the opportunity cost of building them is ideal [GoW]Donegeal: however... invention means one step closer to Gunpower... [ND]Darekill: it is not like we would stockpile money MasterZen: look this is my idea: MasterZen: each country should have a specific role in all of this MasterZen: Lego is the inventor. 100% science MasterZen: GoW rakes the $$$, sends its to Lego [GoW]GhengisFarb: Stock[piled money isn't in GoW are ND's interests, if GS Roleplay somehows takes a city they could siphon off some of it. vondrack: hm, good point MasterZen: ND rakes the $$$, spends it on Ansars. Offensive units is what we need MasterZen: then raze all the cities :P vondrack: perhaps Trip could give us a lecture now? MasterZen: hhaha [ND]Darekill: *g* Panzer32: We don't keep the $$, we give it/spend it [ND]Darekill: trip you never get away without that joke from now on vondrack: ok, that should work... I believe it should not take long and Lego might be doing a tech every 4 turns [ND]Darekill: First of all Astronomy and invention must be ready at about the same time. vondrack: Astronomy will be ready in 5 turns vondrack: solid ETA [ND]Darekill: We can sport both of you with money to reach this goal asap. Panzer32: We need some extra $ to get invention done that quickly [ND]Darekill: how much vondrack: then help GoW, we are fast enough with Astro [ND]Darekill: we hold the cheque book Panzer32: unfortunatly I don't know, as we are not in GA yet vondrack: ) [ND]Darekill: name a price we can make it with lum sum from turn to turn. Panzer32: *probably* not more than 30 gpt vondrack: ok - no problem, you can work this out between yourselves... we can certainly wait for few turns on 100% tax until Invention is ready Panzer32: we'll contact you with the details after the GA [ND]Darekill: O.K you get 40 the nbext few turns until you know how much you need. Panzer32: (has started) vondrack: ok, I think we can consider this finished, ok? [ND]Darekill: right.

	01-08-2003 02:43									#46
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Part II:

quote: vondrack: next point: vondrack: DIPLOMACY vondrack: this is tricky vondrack: let me explain vondrack: at this moment, our relations with GS are "polite" vondrack: we have a tech trade prearranged vondrack: we are trading luxuries (thanks to the great lighthouse) vondrack: we are supposed to deliver Astronomy, getting Banking in return vondrack: we believe it will be best to honor the deal vondrack: not blowing our cover too soon [ND]Darekill: certainly [GoW]Donegeal: Galley upgrade to Caraval's right? vondrack: we DID send them a very strongly worded ambassadorial note MasterZen: did they answer? vondrack: making it totally clear that if they expand on Bob, we will NOT stay neutral vondrack: yes, they did vondrack: just bullshit MasterZen: how surprising :P vondrack: so... we do not plan to arrange any more deals with them MasterZen: good vondrack: but we would still like to keep our involvement secret as long as possible vondrack: the longer they do not know vondrack: the better Panzer32: 4Just a note to wrap up the last point: I calculate we can do inv. in 7 turns with 0gpt vondrack: cool! vondrack: GS will get a hint once you two get Astro from us vondrack: so - the question is: do you need it? [ND]Darekill: still you would need some money to rush something right? vondrack: I mean - would you be able to make any use of Astronomy? vondrack: like building Caravels? Panzer32: well I guess we don't NEED it, but we do have 3 galleys that we might like to upgrade [GoW]Donegeal: come to think of it... we don't need Astro in this war... MasterZen: but GS can actually use it... [ND]Darekill: we would not need it soon. MasterZen: 3 transported units instead of 2, and defense of 2, that's not good news for us vondrack: not really, MZ - The Great Lighthouse does most of it for them already [ND]Darekill: another point astronomy triggers the spanish UU? vondrack: nope vondrack: Navigation [ND]Darekill: ah good. MasterZen: I don't mean the range, I mean the units which can be transported vondrack: if they do Navigation, they will not be doing gunpowder redstar1: RP are certainly after Nav.... [ND]Darekill: We have no big navy but will it sufice for the trade that you have it. vondrack: right... though I believe that GS has a navy large enough to not care... vondrack: do you have any navy capable of attacking their transport vessels? MasterZen: not significant vondrack: do not get me wrong - we are ready to give Astro to you vondrack: just trying to find out if it is worth giving GS the hint Panzer32: 2 galleys near Port Isolation [ND]Darekill: our only harbor is Arnablanca.. Panzer32: (and 1 on west coast) vondrack: So - both of you... think this over and let us know. We have 5 turns to discuss this. [ND]Darekill: + we have no city on the east coast. MasterZen: I'd rather give GS the hint by not giving them Astro at all... think about it, they can land 15 instead of 10 units with caravels in a turn [GoW]Donegeal: the only way GS would know would be if they checked for peace after you gave it to them.... MasterZen: and caravels are pretty much indestructible by other galleys or caravels Panzer32: The thing is, if they have the hint, what can they do with it, recruit allies? I don't think so vondrack: that would mean breaking a treaty... and letting GS know VERY early we are going to fight them vondrack: they would be planning for three enemies, not just two vondrack: the three of us are barely enough to balance their power, believe me vondrack: they are a monster at this moment Panzer32: I think it would be worth it, but this is my opinion [GoW]Donegeal: say something came up and tell them Astro won't come for a couple of turns after you have giev it to us... we upgrade our navy and go after the b******s vondrack: they will know someone discovered Astro [GoW]Donegeal: how? vondrack: and the only team capable of that is us vondrack: checking the research cost vondrack: goes down vondrack: after someone learns the tech [GoW]Donegeal: where... I don't know what your talking about... vondrack: they will know the very turn we get it vondrack: on the F6 screen [GoW]Donegeal: yes but in MP the other teams don't get to see what techs you have!!!! vondrack: no - that's something different Panzer32: the # of turns to research goes down, Donegeal vondrack: if you hover over a tech on the F6 screen vondrack: it shows the number of turn to research it vondrack: based on your current beaker output Panzer32: Its a tricky science and I dont think any GoW member has ever done it vondrack: they check it every turn, I am very sure MasterZen: yeah, it's a common espionage trick [ND]Darekill: That was how RP found out about Chiv. vondrack: besides... vondrack: let me elaborate a bit, please [ND]Borc: can gs give astronomy to rp? vondrack: nope vondrack: not legally [ND]Darekill: do you think they care ? vondrack: and I believe they will not break the treaty unless we break some vondrack: yes, they do care vondrack: there si no loophole vondrack: *is [ND]Darekill: after they find out that we have it? vondrack: nothing forbids us from trading it to you/GoW vondrack: we have not promised we would not trade Astro to you vondrack: and with our very cold stance vondrack: they will hardly be surprised we'll do the trade vondrack: ...back to my idea: [ND]Darekill: anyway Astronomy isn'T realy important to us. vondrack: ok MasterZen: but it is to GS... [ND]Darekill: Musketeers are another chapter. [ND]Darekill: Yes it is for GS certainly. redstar1: Conquistadors vondrack: this is a bit I posted in our forum: vondrack: err... better not vondrack: sorry vondrack: includes info I do not wish to dicslose vondrack: *disclose [ND]Darekill: *g* so you do have secrets? *gee* well we have too... vondrack: we have debated this over a lot in Lego vondrack: vondrack: and we really believe that the benefits of keeping our alliance secret [ND]Borc: very dirty secrets vondrack: outweight the fact that GS will be able to us caravels vondrack: *use vondrack: we are still open to debate, but ATM we strongly prefer keeping the cover vondrack: the element of surprise will be the key here vondrack: to this effect vondrack: we are not going to publicly announce our involvement any time soon MasterZen: yes but that will mean a window of opportunity in which we still won't have Muskets and GS can clobber us with huge landings Panzer32: I'm just wondering, how are you going to surprise them? With what? vondrack: with Lego units on Bob vondrack: they will not expect them there Panzer32: right... are you planning to land any time soon? MasterZen: we could really use some knights right now... vondrack: our galleys are not very suitably positioned vondrack: just a sec [ND]Darekill: oh, I have to go. [ND]Darekill: I'm sorry. [ND]Borc: Wouldnt it be better if youi land on GS coasts Panzer32: see you later Darekill [ND]Darekill: Borc can you take over? MasterZen: will take more than Astro for that MasterZen: cya Herr Barbarian! Panzer32: Borc - Lego doesn't want to do that [ND]Darekill: By vondrack: see you, Darekill * [ND]Darekill has left #gow_cofa [ND]Borc: hmm, im stiil busy at work... MasterZen: doesn't, and can't IIRC vondrack: well, the very first knights could land near Vigo in about 6 turns, I think - though we would prefer landing somewhere behind the lines, maybe near Arnablance vondrack: yes, cannot - until Navigation vondrack: but the transport capacity is very limited vondrack: so do not rely on our troops for at least 10 turns [ND]Borc: 10 turns sound snot too bad [ND]Borc: ywe have many options where you can land later Panzer32: snot? [ND]Borc: will depend also from the gs tacic [ND]Borc: *snot = not, sorry vondrack: I would personally prefer assembling a bigger stack somewhere behind the lines, keeping it hidden, striking only when GS advances vondrack: against your core vondrack: basically - vondrack: you fight at the RP soil vondrack: we make sure you do not get into troubles in your homelands vondrack: but that is just a very vague idea vondrack: and will have to change, I am quite sure vondrack: as the war progresses MasterZen: GS's invasion might come sooner than we all think... vondrack: well, yes, but what can we do... [GoW]Donegeal: Vond... you realize that giving GS Astro will leave them one tech from being able to invade legoland, right? vondrack: yes, I do vondrack: if they invade, fine vondrack: they will not be able to hold on Bob then Panzer32: works the other way too Donegeal vondrack: exactly vondrack: so, one point I would like to have cleared: you DO want our units to start landing on Bob ASAP, right? Panzer32: I believe so, yes vondrack: Borc? [GoW]Donegeal: yes... but if Lego holds onto Astro, then Lego will have a two tech advantage on invading Stormia! vondrack: as I said - we do NOT want to invade Stormia, unless GS invades Legos [ND]Borc: sorry... i am sometimes away for some seconds Panzer32: are you planning on passing in the north or the south? vondrack: probably both vondrack: one galley is on the South, the other one in the North [ND]Borc: but i am sure if we amek a poll ND will be glad to see you landing MasterZen: us too [ND]Borc: *amek = make MasterZen: hell we don't even need a poll :P vondrack: ok - at least 5 turns to do the polls vondrack: just let us know if the poll turns out to be a surprise [ND]Borc: 5 turns are 5 weeks vondrack: the Northern galleys would be landing somewhere between Trafalgar and DDD, I assume [ND]Borc: we will start the poll tonight! its just becasue we are republic vondrack: the Southern one around Arnablance, I think Panzer32: Vondrack - here are the best landing spots vondrack: yes? Panzer32: N or S of Trafalgar, N or NW of DDD - these tiles have roads vondrack: ok, thanks

	01-08-2003 02:43									#47
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Part III:

quote: vondrack: next point: vondrack: WORKERS Panzer32: but it sort of depends how we move the workers [GoW]Donegeal: what difference does roads make? vondrack: would ND have any use for a couple of industrial workers? Panzer32: they can move quicker? vondrack: they allow us to move faster [GoW]Donegeal: we can't have an RoP with lego or GS will get the hint. [ND]Borc: normally yes - there is so much jungle her Panzer32: but they don't have an embassy [GoW]Donegeal: no embassy with any of us? vondrack: right, no embassy with GS, nor RP for Lego [ND]Borc: but the jungle is near the borders and close to the war zone :-( vondrack: ah [ND]Borc: we have an embassy with GS i think vondrack: anyway - look your lands over and see if there are any urgent worker jobs you might utilize industrial workers for Panzer32: but youre at war vondrack: we might be able to send some over vondrack: and do whatever you might need vondrack: not that we would have SO MANY surplus workers, but if there was a real need, we could lend you a hand vondrack: the pyramids help here... MasterZen: brb * MasterZen is now known as MZ|AFK [ND]Zayxus: For ND near Trippolis workers would be useful vondrack: how many? [ND]Zayxus: as much as possible, I did not calculate. vondrack: we could send 2 quite soon... [ND]Zayxus: would be great, clearing jungle is a hard job vondrack: but still, ~10 turns to get to you vondrack: we will keep that in mind [ND]Zayxus: please [ND]Borc: i would prefer 2 workers near marlowa and Fort dreizack - we can defend them better there [ND]Borc: and hide them vondrack: it would be up to you to tell us where to deploy them vondrack: one thing to keep in mind, please [ND]Zayxus: yes? vondrack: we are not having any "spare workers" vondrack: we could use them for ourselves as well vondrack: so request them only for urgent tasks, please [ND]Zayxus: ND keeps that in mind vondrack: good vondrack: next point: vondrack: CATAPULTS vondrack: any need for them? vondrack: it would be possible to arrange a "capture" Panzer32: I don't think GoW has any need at this time; only if GS were to invade our lands [GoW]Donegeal: what bout sending them to the capital and giving them away? sure they loose some effecive ness, but then cost is free and they are where they are needed immediatly... [GoW]Donegeal: whoops... I type slow.... * Tiberius has joined #gow_cofa * vondrack sets mode: +o Tiberius Tiberius: Hi everybody. Little late for the party MZ|AFK: panzer: GS might well invade vondrack: we will need a city on Bob to be able to do that (trade workers) [GoW]Donegeal: not after Astro... vondrack: really? [GoW]Donegeal: yep... vondrack: but the would lose their industriality anyway vondrack: *they vondrack: for ND, I mean vondrack: I assume you have your land well developed vondrack: being industrious, too [ND]Zayxus: RP has some cities with 7 people, it means 50% Bonus, could to be cracked down by catapults vondrack: that's why I did not offer the same to you Panzer32: no, GoW's land developement sucks vondrack: ah... then we can trade, of course [GoW]Donegeal: free labor right now would be a good thing... [ND]Borc: if we cant take zaragossa we could use catapults but we ill see this very soon vondrack: ok - it's still something we would not be able to provide immediately anyway [ND]Borc: we hit them hard at zaragossa even without catas vondrack: just keep in mind that we are open to this vondrack: well... I think I am running short of "points" Panzer32: vondrack: I would like to stress one thing a lot: [ND]Borc: yes, thx... anyway ND will not have the time to build catas so the offer is interesting (for later...) vondrack: do NOT give GS/RP any hints that we have joined the war [GoW]Donegeal: its sorta like the US in WWII... they keep giving all this stuff and help to GB but keep saying "We're Nutral!" vondrack: whatever Panzer32: yes. No hints [ND]Borc: ... and the phone again ... sorry ! vondrack: we are deliberately staying out of the flames in the public forums vondrack: *forums Panzer32: I guess I can't go tell GS all the secrets like I was planning to, yes? [ND]Zayxus: No hints, by ND. vondrack: @ Panzer Tiberius: We don't want to say we're neutral. We only want tu use at max the element of surprise vondrack: right - we are concerned about someone spilling the beans too early vondrack: there is nothing to gain by it and possible a lot to lose vondrack: one more thing - could we arrange a regular weekly chat? Panzer32: I guess you could join us in our GoW-ND chats vondrack: always at this time? Panzer32: yes vondrack: ok vondrack: btw - it would be nice to get news from the front occasionally vondrack: like how many GS troops you spotted etc. Panzer32: well GoW has 14 riders on the tile East of Toledo Tiberius: not bad vondrack: right vondrack: any GS troops in sight? MZ|AFK: knight in Toledo * MZ|AFK is now known as MasterZen Panzer32: we see a fortified knight in Toledo (walls) MasterZen: we don't know of course if there's more... Panzer32: might be lots more though Tiberius: are you (GoW) focusing now on RP or on GS? vondrack: yeah... Panzer32: right now, GS MasterZen: whoever gets in our way, Tiberius Panzer32: because thats where we are ATM [GoW]Donegeal: Targets of Oppertunity Tiberius: kill'em all vondrack: btw - GS told us they would be giving New Madrid back to RP very soon (1-2 turns) [ND]NeMeSiS: sorry guys i have to leave now [ND]NeMeSiS: bye vondrack: bye MasterZen: cya Tiberius: bue Panzer32: oh, really? [GoW]Donegeal: really?.... Tiberius: bye MasterZen: did they ever tell you why they gifted it? [ND]Borc: bye * [ND]NeMeSiS has quit IRC (Quit: ) MasterZen: it seems a bit strange to me since its not a port, and the city itself does not impede movement by roads to Toledo vondrack: they say they wanted to establish a base inside the RP territory Tiberius: +troop movements Panzer32: thats good news for us; maybe we can get it during the changeover or at least before RP is fortified [GoW]Donegeal: they need the port... vondrack: which was only possible by transferring the ownership of N.M. MasterZen: NM isn't a port [GoW]Donegeal: no? Panzer32: nope look at it vondrack: right - the port has been founded very close to N.M. I assume MasterZen: what? a new city? [GoW]Donegeal: oh... so it isn't.... vondrack: they would have to declare war to be able to do it otherwise vondrack: yes, a new city vondrack: expect it on the coast [ND]Borc: i understand :-/ vondrack: prolly on a hill vondrack: NE of the cattle, maybe? Panzer32: probably SE-SE of NM Panzer32: or there, yes [GoW]Donegeal: Barcelona! I bet RP will gift Barcelona! Panzer32: its their only harbour Don Panzer32: also its not 1 turn crossings for GS vondrack: anyway - just thought you might wish to know... [GoW]Donegeal: what do they need a harbor for? MasterZen: trade iron? Panzer32: squid vondrack: maybe iron... vondrack: ok, gentleman - anything else, anyone? Panzer32: yeah vondrack: shoot Panzer32: hmm Civ just fatal errored me vondrack: heh MasterZen: a GS conspiracy... Panzer32: are you making sistine currently vondrack: switching to it this turn Panzer32: how many turns until you finish? vondrack: errr... let's make it this way: after we establish the embassy with you, we tell you if there is a problem, ok? vondrack: I do not think wonder builds are necessarily a subject of this military alliance [ND]Borc: vondrack: btw - just to make sure we all know this: we have a no-Sistine clause with both of you Panzer32: ok - we plan on speeding it up from what you see to time better with invention vondrack: ok, fine vondrack: plus - the GA, I assume... Panzer32: yes, the GA will speed it up vondrack: good vondrack: will PM you Panzer32: k vondrack: anything else? vondrack: Borc? vondrack: Zayxus? Panzer32: I have some stuff to discuss with ND Panzer32: but that can wait [ND]Zayxus: don't see to discuss more now. vondrack: right - if there is nothing more, Lego shall leave now, ok? MasterZen: great having you here vondrack: our pleasure vondrack: good luck to all of us [ND]Zayxus: This was an interesting chat. [ND]Borc: tankk you all! and sorry for beeing so busy,,, MasterZen: I know we'll need it... vondrack: yes, a lot of stuff done vondrack: yes, we will need it [ND]Zayxus: Let us continue. [ND]Zayxus: Next week? Panzer32: yes vondrack: yes, next week at latest [ND]Borc: can we have the log file again? vondrack: sure, I can email it to you vondrack: email addy? Tiberius: next week = next turn, probably [ND]Borc: great! neudemogyptica@cylusion.com vondrack: k [ND]Zayxus: yes, an chat copy as mail, thank you [ND]Borc: this mail forwards everything to th 4 consuls of nd

	01-08-2003 15:06									#48
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One thing we forgot to ask from them: one or two turns before we land on Bob, we will need both GoW's and ND's world map. The reason is obvious. Given the fact that this is an alliance where everybody gives whatever he can for the common cause, I don't think they should ask for anything in return (and they definitely don't need our WM).

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The Lego team has been discussed in several of the last posts in that GoW ultimatum "Glory of Manifestos" thread.

Particularly, UnOrthodox mentions that Lego felt that it couldn't receive RP cities due to its NAP.

Furthermore, Shiber finds that suspicious and wonders how we were "bullied" into such a NAP. (Though he later expresses how he respects how Lego and ND have played the game so far)

And finally, a discussion of how Lego is incapable of doing anything until Astronomy is discovered.

	05-08-2003 01:45									#50
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quote: And finally, a discussion of how Lego is incapable of doing anything until Astronomy is discovered

Funny thing about that, eh?

	05-08-2003 01:53									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe Furthermore, Shiber finds that suspicious and wonders how we were "bullied" into such a NAP. And finally, a discussion of how Lego is incapable of doing anything until Astronomy is discovered.

Here's the quote:

quote: Don't fool yourself, Lego is incapable of actively and efficiently warring with GoW on Bob until Astronomy. I also find it curious... that Lego let themselves be bullied into a NAP in the first place.

You can't imagine how difficult was to me not to respond: "Good. The fact that you think so is just perfect. The bigger your surprise will be !"

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Exactly my feelings. I trashed two already written posts.

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Not sure where to put this, but this thread is probably the best one. I have dropped into the GoW/ND regular chat to quickly check what's new...

quote: Session Start: Thu Aug 07 20:25:45 2003 Session Ident: #gow_cofa * Now talking in #gow_cofa vondrack: hello Panzer32: Hi Vondrack! * YenKo looks at donegeal vondrack: sorry for being late [ND]Borc: i think we should take them for the south... we had losses there! Donegeal: um... anybody want to claim him? [ND]Borc: hi vondrak! vondrack: I ate something bad and my stomach aches like hell Panzer32: we were just discussing current military stuff vondrack: ok, go ahead - I will listen for the moment Panzer32: Darekill: about the Ansars - I think we can handle up north for the moment Donegeal: yeah... I think you will need them more against GS knights... [ND]Darekill: good the more we have in the south the sooner we can send a bunch of them wherever you want them to be. [ND]Darekill: The BASF wil beat all the Warchicken. Panzer32: so thats pretty much it for GoW military [ND]Borc: vondrack: btw: we had a 10:0 poll result: our parliament wants you to land vondrack: vondrack: I know vondrack: NeMeSiS PMed me Panzer32: oh, between 3-6 turns from now we get 6 more riders, probably more with our GA [ND]Darekill: We try to hold Fort Löwenmut (Leon) long enough to soften up the spanish Attacks. vondrack: how bad you losses were, Darekill? vondrack: you went from average to weak vs. us... [ND]Darekill: Then if we can we try to capture their Catas vondrack: and how much is left of that Spanish superstack? * Panzer32 sets mode: +oo vondrack YenKo [ND]Darekill: We have lost two Ansar and two Pikes Donegeal: but you kept the city? [ND]Darekill: But we'll replace them [ND]Darekill: Yes we kept it. vondrack: great news! Donegeal: vondrack: and the stack? Spanish losses? [ND]Darekill: the stack is pretty beaten now. vondrack: congratulations! Donegeal: [ND]Darekill: they lost four Med. infs and two Pikes already. vondrack: that's cool vondrack: from our side - there is little news [ND]Darekill: the Med. Infs there are at one Points two point s only two ar more then three point vondrack: ...everything goes pretty much along the lines discussed last week vondrack: we are doing our best to start ferrying troops [ND]Darekill: But there are still six full power Pikes and a lot of Catapults... vondrack: there has been one concern in our forum which I would like to mention here vondrack: Lego would like to hold the first units that will land behind (unless there is a real emergence) and wait until we assemble a stack of ~15 knights vondrack: we believe that engaging with 3-6 units would make little difference vondrack: may I have your ideas on where you would need our units? [ND]Darekill: that is hard to tell right now. because we don'T know how things will look in 15 turns. vondrack: of course vondrack: so, let me give our idea, ok? Panzer32: well it would be nicest if Sirocco was taken out first so they can't ferry troops but that will be very hard to do Panzer32: go ahead [ND]Borc: if gs knights get through our home land then tis will be the emergence case, right? vondrack: we would be ferrying troops to Bob and then move them to approximately the center of your homelands vondrack: where they would gather vondrack: they would be ready to counter any surprise landings by GS vondrack: and would engage GS on the main front only after reaching some ~15 units Panzer32: so womewhere in northern ND territory? vondrack: just a sec, I will look at the save Donegeal: Vond.. I was wondering what was the FA front looking like with you and GS? vondrack: will answer - just a sec vondrack: ok, troops positioning: vondrack: perhaps somewhere in the Macao-Skulgaria-Thordoba triangle? (not sure where there are roads there) Panzer32: here is a suggestion: vondrack: ok, go ahead Panzer32: If you put the stack on the tile E-S of Macao it can reach Port Isolation in 2 turns Panzer32: It also has many links through ND territory vondrack: yes, that's within the area I was thinking about vondrack: sounds good vondrack: diplo front: Panzer32: right. Also its close to 1 source of ND iron to sort of guard it if it comes to that vondrack: ok vondrack: diplo: vondrack: we had our regular chat with GS on Monday vondrack: I did my best to confuse them like hell vondrack: we made it very clear that if they get involved in a major way on Bob vondrack: they will have to face us, too Donegeal: do they think that you are staying neutral? Donegeal: oh.... vondrack: I do not think they believe we would stay neutral vondrack: I was very specific about this vondrack: it was kinda "last warning" Panzer32: this of course might mean that they won't accept any more RP cities Panzer32: I think they just want to keep the ones they have currently Donegeal: well... with stacks of 6 knights roaming around on Bob and them holding several cities, I think they are involved in a major way on Bob... vondrack: ...they knew how we meant it vondrack: OTOH: * YenKo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving ) vondrack: I made it sound like it was a serious diplomatic warning vondrack: and dropped a few lines to indirectly indicate we were not really doing anything yet Donegeal: but the Astro deal is still going to go through... vondrack: re: Astro deal vondrack: it probably is, but I can feel they may be looking for ways to delay it vondrack: they are giving gold to RP to keep them fighting vondrack: and their economy is unable to fund everything vondrack: they seem to be worried about us stopping tech trades with them Donegeal: hmmm... sounds more like they are involved on Bob in a major way... vondrack: my impression was that they are still looking for ways how to make us remain neutral vondrack: donegeal - I consider that a major involvement, too, naturally [ND]Borc: brb vondrack: that's why we will give no more warnings Donegeal: if we embargo against GS, there is NO WAY they can keep up with us techwise Panzer32: thats what we plan to do, Don vondrack: and that's why we do not condition our help to you in any way * Donegeal goes to check his logs again, feeling a bit embarassed for not knowing... vondrack: Don - Astro is the last tech going to them vondrack: to keep the cover as long as possible Panzer32: Now, you said GS might delay Astro deal... vondrack: yes - since the deal is Astro for Banking vondrack: and they seem to be slower with Banking then we with Astro vondrack: than *us... Panzer32: if they delay enough, will you cut the deal (ie they see your troops) vondrack: I do not think they will delay it THAT much Panzer32: ok :P vondrack: they should be done ~3 turns after us - at least that's my understanding vondrack: I honestly cannot answer the last question (on cutting the deal) vondrack: that would have to be discussed within our team Donegeal: does that mean that you are going to delay giving us the tech by that many turns? * Donegeal shrugs. Donegeal: not like we need it. vondrack: nope - that has nothing to do with it vondrack: if they delay the trade, they will not be able to pose 'surprised' by the fact we trade with others vondrack: and we are deliberately making it very clear that we do NOT side with them Donegeal: there is no talk of a "no-trade clause? vondrack: so even giving you the techs might not blow the cover too much... it would be just another "reminder" for them to back off vondrack: NDAs are part of the contract vondrack: eternal NDAs, AFAIK vondrack: Astro is ours, Banking is theirs Donegeal: so what do you do if they do "back off"? vondrack: well, if they do "back off", I guess you will be able to handle them on your own vondrack: but it is Lego to decide Donegeal: NDA? vondrack: if they did back off or not vondrack: you mean - what do we do about the NDA? Donegeal: no... what is it vondrack: Non-Disclosure Agreement Donegeal: Non-Disclosure? vondrack: yes vondrack: no-trade clause vondrack: everybody calls it different Donegeal: isn't talking about it with us a "disclosure"? vondrack: ummm... we understand it as a "non-trade clause" Panzer32: that means they can't tell us about the trade AFTER the NDA is agreed to Donegeal: hahahahaha Panzer32: well thats what happened to GoW once vondrack: hm, I may be wrong about this NDA stuff - but hell, I don't care... vondrack: I suppose I am not legally allowed to plot an alliance against them either... vondrack: Panzer32: * Donegeal shrugs again. Panzer32: anything else to discuss? vondrack: just re-read the trade agreement... NDA=no-trade clause, I am sure vondrack: not from our side, I think Donegeal: so you can't trade Banking, even if you go to war with GS? vondrack: correct... as long as we honour the treaty Panzer32: get vox to get it for you Panzer32: err. for us vondrack: yes - that was one thing I was thinking of vondrack: the other one - do we really need banking to win this war? vondrack: I mean... anyone planning to build a bank any time soon? Panzer32: just a warning about the Vox situation here: vondrack: yes? Panzer32: make sure to not just let them be the tech brokers that give you everything from other civs vondrack: no worries - that's not the case Panzer32: when Vox had lux in its palm, we were working out a deal with both Panzer32: then Vox quits negotiations and we get all angry with Vox vondrack: yes, I think I know the story Panzer32: and we send them a simple note Panzer32: then the next turn Lux is gone :/ vondrack: yeah... Panzer32: ... for those who didn't know vondrack: don't worry about our relationship with Vox vondrack: that has been taken care of vondrack: they are not going to interfere vondrack: they were specifically asked to lay low [ND]Zayxus: 12 Building a Bank? Now in a war? No. vondrack: Panzer32: same for GoW vondrack: yeah - that's why I think the NDA on Banking is not a big deal ATM Donegeal: they are going to be stronger in Legos Minor than they were in Estonia... vondrack: probably, yes vondrack: but not by much vondrack: the terrain there is horrible Panzer32: yeah Panzer32: they'll have to work mainly coastline vondrack: yep - and no fresh water either vondrack: but still... they can be a fine researcher, given time [ND]Zayxus: 12 Harbors, Aequaducts? Hard work. [ND]Darekill: after this war I think we can find a way to end the demogame entirely. vondrack: we will see... vondrack: I made myself clear in the public forum vondrack: in the "fun?" thread... vondrack: ok - if there is nothing else, I'd probably leave now... not feeling well today [ND]Darekill: I' know... Panzer32: I don't have anything more to discuss [ND]Darekill: Nothing from our side. vondrack: ok, gentlemen - have a good night then! * Donegeal has quit IRC (Quit: ) [ND]Darekill: good night. [ND]Zayxus: thx, you also Session Close: Thu Aug 07 21:12:32 2003

I made it clear we did not want our troops to become involved in combat until strong enough to actually make a difference. Both teams seemed happy to keep LEF as a reserve force (Panzer suggested the tile S-E of Macao, which sounded fine to me).

Few bits of info on the battle of Leon (ND did well, it seems)... and that's it. Nothing major this time.

	08-08-2003 01:44									#54
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Good chat, Vondrack. They've given us the go ahead, with no quotas on what to bring in. And keeping their backs covered for them should let them fight more effectively in the front. I guess they are still worried about the Astro deal, but we can figure that out on our own.

Oh, and hope your stomach feels better!

And, just picture this... GS thinks they're being all clever, sending a shipment of troops around the north, and trying to sneak into GoW's backside while they are occupied in the south. The stack lands, and suddenly a blazing storm of plastic knights tears them apart as soon as they hit the ground. Can you imagine the looks on GS' faces

	08-08-2003 02:07									#55
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX And, just picture this... GS thinks they're being all clever, sending a shipment of troops around the north, and trying to sneak into GoW's backside while they are occupied in the south. The stack lands, and suddenly a blazing storm of plastic knights tears them apart as soon as they hit the ground. Can you imagine the looks on GS' faces

Yeah, feathers will be everywhere...

But seriously - I just hope our plastic knights are there in time...

	08-08-2003 03:36									#56
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I fully approve of this plan and the Bob landing site.