26-09-2003 19:42									#31
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My dial-up is free Asher, so for ~$10/month I get all the normal services.

	26-09-2003 22:25									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I get all those things for free.

Sure you do. So do I because I am enrolled at a university.

FTP still isn't as useful as the idisk was though and my mac mail never ever got spammed.

with .mac you also get a free copy of iblog, a versiontracker plus subscription and discounts. There is other **** as well.

I was a critic when it first started as Apple was essentially trying to get you to pay for something that was free (itools). However, a year later, it so happens that what you get for your money has become a lot better.

	26-09-2003 23:47									#33
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quote: with .mac you also get a free copy of iblog, a versiontracker plus subscription and discounts. There is other **** as well.

Thanks for the heads up. I'd been thinking about adding a blog to my website, so this is pretty good timing.

	27-09-2003 02:24									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Sure you do. So do I because I am enrolled at a university. FTP still isn't as useful as the idisk was though and my mac mail never ever got spammed.

The reason your mac mail never gets spammed is because you haven't published it online probably. New mails take a while to get spam.

And I don't see how the FTP isn't as useful as "idisk", add an FTP site as a Network Place and you can save to it just like any other file in Windows.

	27-09-2003 08:20									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The reason your mac mail never gets spammed is because you haven't published it online probably. New mails take a while to get spam.

So I never published my sympatico account anywhere or used it to register for anything. But still spam.

I had a mac.com account for over 2 years and nothing.

quote: And I don't see how the FTP isn't as useful as "idisk", add an FTP site as a Network Place and you can save to it just like any other file in Windows.

Because FTP doesn't automatically sync your online folder with those on all your other computers.

	28-09-2003 02:31									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon So I never published my sympatico account anywhere or used it to register for anything. But still spam. I had a mac.com account for over 2 years and nothing. Because FTP doesn't automatically sync your online folder with those on all your other computers.

hi ,

close it for a week or so , all those mainframes shall get messages saying that your email is not there anymore and it shall be removed from the lists , .......

have a nice day

	28-09-2003 11:45									#37
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Or you can just bounce the spam emails automatically. But again that might be a Windows-clients only feature.

	28-09-2003 18:23									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Or you can just bounce the spam emails automatically. But again that might be a Windows-clients only feature.

hi ,

nah , that aint waterproof , ......

there are plenty of tools out there to stop spam , ......

have a nice day

	29-09-2003 04:26									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Or you can just bounce the spam emails automatically. But again that might be a Windows-clients only feature.

Of course you can bounce them. But that's really ****ing annoying.

Better to never get them or to have a good junk mail filter like Apple's Mail does.

Having crap junk mail flitering seems to be an MS problem.

	29-09-2003 04:31									#40
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I will have to dispute the fact that junk mail for .Mac accounts occurs, because it does, and heavily like it would for any e-mail account that's over two years old.

I use Entourage because I've never wanted to bother learning how to use Mail and it filters out as well as I need with as many rules as I've set up.

Asher, others, how does one 'bounce' e-mails?

	29-09-2003 04:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Of course you can bounce them. But that's really ****ing annoying.

How is it annoying when the client bounces spam automatically and deletes it?

quote: Better to never get them or to have a good junk mail filter like Apple's Mail does. Having crap junk mail flitering seems to be an MS problem.

Hah.
Spoken like somebody who hasn't used Outlook 2003 yet.

Apple's Bayesian filter is ancient compared to the one in Outlook 2003.

Granted, Outlook 2003 is the first MS client to have built-in spam filtering. But at least it's the best at it.

And for the sake of fairness, we'll ignore the fact that Apple's Mail, and even Mozilla, use junk-mail filtering algorithms developed years ago by MS Research, while Outlook 2003 sports the latest incarnation.

quote: Asher, others, how does one 'bounce' e-mails?

It depends what client and/or plugins you're using. How I have it set up in Outlook 2003, is it uses the spam filter to determine what's most probably spam (I have it set to "High" right now, and it's yet to give me a false positive and and only a few times missed real spam, and I told it it was spam and it learned from it for next time). It moves all spam email (about 20 a day) to the Junk Mail folder, then, in the background, bounces that mail by connecting to your mailserver and forging a "user not found" type error so they think your email does not exist. Then, I have it set to purge the junk mail box weekly.

	30-09-2003 05:50									#42
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well i've decided to not renew my .mac subscription, i have email from my college, and i carry my laptop with me to class, so i really do not have a need for any of the features. I do wish apple would provide a email service for a much reduced price(I still think that .mac email is excellent, but it alone is not worth 100$). so i'm hoping that down the road apple will provide a email only .mac account, then i'll return, but until then no.

	30-09-2003 07:45									#43
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They do offer an e-mail only service.

	30-09-2003 09:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Granted, Outlook 2003 is the first MS client to have built-in spam filtering. But at least it's the best at it.)

Apple Mail is perfect at filtering junk mail if you give it a few weeks to learn and get used to the kind of junk you get.


Outlook 2003?

Hey, everyone, @ Asher.

Yeah right. A pity I can't actually buy and use it until next month. You are such a pathetic bullshitter Asher: comparing Apple Mail, a year old product soon to be updated, to a product that isn't even available to the general public.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/getit.asp

I've had Apple Mail with junk filtering for over a year now. I guess M$hit had to catch up sometime.

	02-10-2003 06:40									#45
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I've had Outlook with junk mail filtering for more than a year. I used the SpamAssassin plugin which seamlessly integrates.

And Outlook 2003 is certainly available to the general public, anyone can download it.

It's also a much more advanced and tweaked version of the algorithms Mail used, which are the ones MS made public in 1998 in the paper I linked. They've continually advanced it ever since, because MS didn't deem the algorithms as of 1998 to be accurate enough. Now they think it's good enough for widespread use, and hence its inclusion in MSN's Outlook Express (for over a year now), and Outlook 2003.

	02-10-2003 08:18									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I've had Outlook with junk mail filtering for more than a year. I used the SpamAssassin plugin which seamlessly integrates. And Outlook 2003 is certainly available to the general public, anyone can download it.

Tis a BETA. Presumably you'll have to pay for the full version.

quote: It's also a much more advanced and tweaked version of the algorithms Mail used, which are the ones MS made public in 1998 in the paper I linked. They've continually advanced it ever since, because MS didn't deem the algorithms as of 1998 to be accurate enough. Now they think it's good enough for widespread use, and hence its inclusion in MSN's Outlook Express (for over a year now), and Outlook 2003.

Well, Mail is free and works perfectly once you train it.

	02-10-2003 08:36									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Tis a BETA. Presumably you'll have to pay for the full version.

No, it's not a beta. The final was RTM weeks ago and the one on the internet is a leaked final build of Office 2003 Professional Enterprise Edition, 5 CDs of software.

And yes, you're supposed to pay for the full version.

	03-10-2003 18:49									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Asher And yes, you're supposed to pay for the full version.