28-07-2003 22:49									#31
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quote: Tupac was a dancer (ballet being his major in high school)

what a badass

	28-07-2003 22:51									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer yeah Puff Daddy is looking a lot better than those Enron people...

But decidedly far worse than someone like Bill Gates.

How much does P Diddy donate to charities?

Yeah, that's what I thought...

	28-07-2003 22:59									#33
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I didn't know that you could major in ballet in high school. I didn't realize high schools had majors. And my high school didn't have ballet, aerobics yes, ballet no. Maybe its cause I went to a public school.

Keepin' it real from the Class of '96 yo.

	29-07-2003 01:49									#34
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Speer, by that logic Fred Durst is a renaissance man.

Fred Durst is a ****in' jagoff who deserves to be shot.

	29-07-2003 02:25									#35
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Asher:

quote: How much does P Diddy donate to charities?

http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter...2001/061501.asp (also says what charities several other rappers have given to)

quote: Sean "P Diddy" Combs Combs founded "Daddy's House," a charity which provides money to underprivileged children in Harlem, New York for computer camps, trips to Africa, among other activities. It offers comprehensive educational, cultural and recreational events for children, including special holiday events for children in foster care. In addition, Daddy's House Summer Camp develops and funds cultural and educational trips for 200 underprivileged children. Combs has already donated over $2 million to his organization, and is aiming to raise more than $4 million to purchase a Daddy's House Center in Harlem. He has also given of his time to perform for the NetAid anti-poverty concerts held in three countries.

quote: Master P Master has given his time, money, and energy to help his home state of Louisiana. He donated $250,000 to his alma mater, St. Monica's Catholic Elementary School in New Orleans. The Catholic School faced closure after 75 years of operation because of financial difficulties. Master P also gave $250,000 to two nearby churches where his family is involved. He is seeking to build a "New Motown" in Louisiana, creating job opportunities and alternatives for hundreds of young people in the state.

	29-07-2003 02:32									#36
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Well.. I agree and disagree. I think there are invdividuals who are rappers PLUS they are talented in other areas too. I wouldnt' go as far and say rappers are intelligent and versatile, but that there are those individuals. Just like in every area. You don't have to be intelligent to make lots of money. But you should be pretty smart, and I'm sure these guys are smart. They have hired people to help them get more money, right? THat's pretty smart, you have to know who you're gonna get next to you making that money. Obviously they have succeeded.

So, I think these individuals AS named must be smart, maybe some of them are intelligent too. Hard to say, I don't know them personally. But smart they must be, and they have succeeded so.. it's all good.

Many times how you make more money is to surround yourself with the right people. Smart people succeed in it, and less fortunate people mess it up.

	29-07-2003 02:35									#37
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Speer, by that logic Fred Durst is a renaissance man. Fred Durst is a ****in' jagoff who deserves to be shot.

Thats the thing... true renaissance people are innovators, not guys who rip off other peoples music and slap some lyrics over 'em ,

I could see Miles davis or George clinton as renaissance men, but P. Diddy??

	29-07-2003 02:37									#38
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Was Miles Davis the CEO of a entertainment company and a major clothing line?

	29-07-2003 02:44									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Was Miles Davis the CEO of a entertainment company and a major clothing line?

No, speer, he wasn't inflicting crappy merchandise on the masses to feed his media machine.

He was pushing the boundaries of jazz, and was active in the political and civil rights movements. He was innovative both in and out of music.

	29-07-2003 02:46									#40
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A story of Miles Davis comes to my mind.. he once drove a car, and it as it was white, he suddenly thought it was made of cocaine.. so he tried to scratch it and was panicing, since sirenes from cop car was singing somewhere, and he thought they were there to get him and his car made out of cocaine. I think it was in his autobiographie.. many funny stories

	29-07-2003 02:53									#41
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quote: Was Miles Davis the CEO of a entertainment company and a major clothing line?

Neither was Leonardo da Vinci, if you want to make asinine comparisons

	29-07-2003 02:53									#42
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I think its quite obvious that people can't stand to admit that P Diddy and a bunch of other successful badass rappers had an ounce of brain matter in their heads. Get over it, the guys aren't Rhodes scholars but they know how to make money. As for the rest of rappers, theirs no indication of any trend of intelligence or business savvy, much the same for most musicians.

	29-07-2003 02:59									#43
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Oh, I'll freely admit that many rappers are business-savvy, and know how to turn a profit. It will be very tough to convince me that very many (or any) rappers are of above average or top tier intelligence.

	29-07-2003 03:09									#44
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Then thats just your prejudice showing.

	29-07-2003 03:10									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Mad Monk: thousands of little production companies? come on... can any of them except Apple Records compete in net worth with Bad Boy Entertainment/Sean John clothing, No Limit Entertainment/Sports/Films, Def Jam Entertainment Group, Rap-A-Lot Inc., etc. and again... No Limit and Badboy were founded from scratch, not as any compensation package...

Tuff Gong...

	29-07-2003 03:19									#46
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Those people are talented people who happen to be rappers as well. Sean Combs is an exceptional buisnessman, and a good rapper aswell. This definatly does not mean that all rappers are talented buissnessmen.

But then again it's bullsh*t to say someone can't be intelligent, or a good buissnessman just because they are rappers.

	29-07-2003 03:24									#47
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Herr Speer, show me a rapper that's got recognised talent as a sculptor, architect or painter - and I'll agree, they are renaissence material.

	29-07-2003 03:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd But you still haven't answered my question - if these people are so smart, why can't they stay out of trouble?

a rich nigger is still a nigger.

and if gangsta rappers aren't the definitive nigger, the ones that are given the racial slur to describe the fact that they make the whole race look bad by their stupid actions, then there aren't any niggers, niggah.

	29-07-2003 03:43									#49
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Uber

that's the both funniest and most racist thing i've heard all day

	29-07-2003 03:47									#50
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Uber that's the both funniest and most racist thing i've heard all day

come on. in all races / societies there ARE people that ARE the sterotype. thats HOW they're made.

and if rappers don't play off it, i dont see who does.

	29-07-2003 03:50									#51
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Well, you have a point. For example in Japan there is the schoolgirl; in Europe-descended America there is the fat worker-exploiting pig; in African-American society, the rapper.

	29-07-2003 03:51									#52
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@Uber

Successful Rappers are great buisnessmen, but I wouldn't call them Renaissance men.

A Ren Man is suppose to be someone who is knowledgable and active in/of many fields of study and art. While a Rapper may know how to write a good beat, some can actually write some poetry, and some can actually market it, this does not make it enough. Mainly because marketing should be second nature to them anyway, since that is all they are really doing is selling an image, as Uber so delicatly put it

It is the same with a professional athlete who developed his skills for scratch, sold his image to some team, and clothing line, and then went into acting or rapping... Would you call Dennis Rodman or Shaq a Ren Man? I know I wouldn't.

	29-07-2003 04:05									#53
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one might say they were intelligent in that they may be putting up an act to sell an image that they might not really have.

enimem comes to mind.

	29-07-2003 05:07									#54
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Uber has a good point, but he's still gonna get banned for making it

	29-07-2003 06:06									#55
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Uber has a good point, but he's still gonna get banned for making it

thats how it always happens.

	29-07-2003 06:09									#56
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I'm still waiting for AS to come get offended.

	29-07-2003 06:28									#57
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I'm still waiting for AS to come get offended.

AS isn't black, despite his wishes.

	29-07-2003 06:51									#58
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That's the point.

	29-07-2003 12:51									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer in the other thread, rappers in movies was brought up so i was thinking about this... major rappers are modern renaissance men.

Define "Renaisaance Man" first.