30-07-2003 09:54									#61
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Now, write a sonnet without making up words like rap artists are allowed to do.

	30-07-2003 09:58									#62
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David, you seem to have a problem with 'gangster' rap... and there's dozens of rappers who got the same problem... read these lyrics....

quote: (Talib Kweli)"Give me the fortune, keep the fame," said my man Louis I agreed, know what he mean because we live the truest lie I asked him why we follow the law of the bluest eye He looked at me, he thought about it Was like, "I'm clueless, why?" The question was rhetorical, the answer is horrible Our morals are out of place and got our lives full of sorrow And so tomorrow comin later than usual Waitin' on someone to pity us While we findin beauty in the hideous They say money's the root of all evil but I can't tell YouknowhatImean, pesos, francs, yens, cowrie shells, dollar bills Or is it the mindstate that's ill? Creating crime rates to fill the new prisons they build Over money and religion there's more blood to spill The wounds of slaves in cotton fields that never heal What's the deal? A lot of cats who buy records are straight broke But my language universal they be recitin my quotes While R&B singers hit bad notes, we rock the boat of thought, that my man Louis' statements just provoked Caught up, in conversations of our personal worth Brought up, through endangered species status on the planet Earth Survival tactics means, bustin gats to prove you hard Your firearms are too short to box with God Without faith, all of that is illusionary Raise my son, no vindication of manhood necessary (M.D.) Not strong (T.K.) Only aggressive (M.D.) Not free (T.K.) We only licensed (M.D.) Not compassioniate, only polite (T.K.) Now who the nicest? (M.D.) Not good but well behaved (T.K.) Chasin after death so we can call ourselves brave? (M.D.) Still livin like mental slaves (both) Hidin like thieves in the night from life Illusions of oasis makin you look twice (both) Hidin like thieves in the night from life Illusions of oasis makin you look twice (Mos Def) Yo, I'm sure that everbody out listenin agree That everything you see ain't really how it be A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria Synthesized surface conceals the interior America, land of opportunity, mirages and camoflauges More than usually -- speakin loudly, sayin nothin You confusin me, you losin me Your game is twisted, want me enlisted -- in your usary Foolishly, most men join the ranks cluelessly Buffoonishly accept the deception, believe the perception Reflection rarely seen across the surface of the lookin glass Walkin the street, wonderin who they be lookin past Lookin gassed with them imported designer shades on Stars shine bright, but the light -- rarely stays on Same song, just remixed, different arrangement Put you on a yacht but they won't call it a slaveship Strangeness, you don't control this, you barely hold this Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old **** Suppose it's, just another clever Jedi mind trick That they been runnin across stars through all the time with I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between We either niggaz or Kings We either *****es or Queens The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts Long barrel automatics released in short bursts The length of black life is treated with short worth Get yours first, them other niggaz secondary That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary This life is temporary but the soul is eternal Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive Not free, we only licensed Not live, we just excitin Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey most of the things that we think, do, or say We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave But everyday, next man meet with the grave I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy I'm tryin to live life in the sight of God's memory Like that y'all (Mos Def) A lot of people don't understand the true criteria of things Can't just accept the appearance Have to get the true essence

	30-07-2003 10:01									#63
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Tassadar:

I already am 'enlightened' to the artform of writing a story... i never denied that writing is an art...


and rappers don't make up words... they use slang words that are used already... even crazy words like shizzle or whatever the **** was actually being used colloquially in the bay area.

	30-07-2003 10:07									#64
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I support you, Speer. Rap is a great form of music. These dumb-ass white boys don't know what they're talking about.

	30-07-2003 10:11									#65
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"Now, write a sonnet without making up words like rap artists are allowed to do."

I call bullshît. Don't you know that a sonnet doesn't have to rhyme???

	30-07-2003 10:12									#66
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 "Now, write a sonnet without making up words like rap artists are allowed to do." I call bullshît. Don't you know that a sonnet doesn't have to rhyme???

Really.

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/sonnet.html

	30-07-2003 10:36									#67
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If you're going to do an italian or english sonnet, sure, but a sonnet by itself is just fourteen lines. So yeah, I'm still right.

	30-07-2003 10:43									#68
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AS, sorry, but I have a problem with music that horribly mangles grammar. Maybe I'm just prejudiced, or live in an ivory tower, or whatever, but that's just what I like, or rather, don't like.

As for rap being poetry, much of what is considered "great" poetry doesn't even rhyme, so I'm not sure that your reason for calling rap "poetry" is valid. Then again, I'm not a fan of poetry, either, for entirely different reasons (it tends to bore the **** out of me).

	30-07-2003 10:53									#69
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David:

i'm not sure Talib Kweli and Mos Def really mangled grammar in that piece... if they did, it's no more than normal colloquial laxing of grammar.

great poetry prior to that gay guy who wrote leaves of grass or whatever almost always rhymed... rap is the return of verse poetry after over a century absence.

	30-07-2003 10:56									#70
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quote: great poetry prior to that gay guy who wrote leaves of grass or whatever almost always rhymed...

I don't know why, but I found that really funny.

	30-07-2003 10:56									#71
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quote: if they did, it's no more than normal colloquial laxing of grammar.

Which is something I don't like, either

quote: rap is the return of verse poetry after over a century absence.

If you are now trying to say that rap is good and takes intelligence because it is the new poetry, then I would have to say you're grasping at straws.

Rap is not poetry, nor is it meant to be poetry. It just happens to rhyme.

	30-07-2003 10:58									#72
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Walt Whitman. Check him out some time, Albert. Surely you can spend $5 on a small book of his poetry when your peers are spending tons of money on pot, eh?

	30-07-2003 10:59									#73
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POETRY

Rap Sucks C0ck,
It's Much Worse than Bach,
We Should Seal it With a Heavy Lock,
Rap Sucks C0ck.

	30-07-2003 11:00									#74
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David:

did you read the lyrics i posted at the start of the thread and/or the ones i jost posted? they're not amazing or nothing but i can't see how you wouldn't agree that they are poetry.

	30-07-2003 11:02									#75
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I agree that they rhyme, but that doesn't make them poetry.

	30-07-2003 11:05									#76
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Mono:

i dont believe in Walt Whitman... i think he bastardized what was once a skilled artform... sure he may not have been too bad but his ideas of free verse have been used in the 20th century by pretentious idiots to sound intelligent by being vague and not following the structures of rhyme meter.

	30-07-2003 11:08									#77
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Believe in him or not, you can't stop him from existing. Besides, free verse was the inexorable path of poetry, whitman or not.

You can be specific and decide to not follow rhyme structure at the same time, you know.

Curious as to what you thought of my effort.

	30-07-2003 11:14									#78
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Mono:

it's very rock-ish if you know what i mean? it seems like the lyrics to a rock song in content and in style. also the length is very rock-like... though if you did extend the length and put more specific things in there (kind of like a story in rhyme which is extremely common in rap), it would be more along the lines of most rap songs.

but how does shore rhyme with more and baltimore though? a mass. accent?

	30-07-2003 11:17									#79
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Eh? "Shore" does indeed rhyme with both "more" and "Baltimore". Unless I pronounce them all incorrectly.

	30-07-2003 11:17									#80
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actually now that i think about it, the content is VERY common in rap... i can't even count how many hundreds of songs had that idea of talking about leaving all the bullshit in the world and just cruising on the highway... maybe you should try to download a song by Joe Budden (aka Average Joe as he is also known cause he's a very typical rapper. nothing special about him) called 10 Minutes (beware it's a huge 10 minute song so if you dont got cable internet dont bother) which is similiar except instead of driving to the shore, all he needs is 10 minutes to smoke a cigerette. in those ten minutes, he basically goes through every aspect of his life in story form. might be inspirational

	30-07-2003 11:21									#81
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"it seems like the lyrics to a rock song in content"
"the content is VERY common in rap"

Quickest 180 ever!!!

Shore
Baltimore
More

How do they not rhyme???

	30-07-2003 11:21									#82
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your rhymes with shore...

	30-07-2003 11:22									#83
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Not how I pronounce it

	30-07-2003 11:23									#84
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Mono:

outwardly, the style is rock-ish (though i'll admit that i know next to nothing about rock music) but on a slightly more in depth level, past the superficial rockness, the basic idea is very common in rap.

	30-07-2003 11:26									#85
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Maybe mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem. You ever think of that, Speer?

	30-07-2003 11:26									#86
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I think I deserve credit for creating the first ever rap lyric to use the word 'volvo'.

	30-07-2003 11:29									#87
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quote: I think I deserve credit for creating the first ever rap lyric to use the word 'volvo'.

I'm sure it's been done before. If you would've used "vulva" instead, you might've had a chance. Not many proper anatomical terms in hip hop.

	30-07-2003 11:33									#88
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nah mono... i've heard volvo plenty of times...

	30-07-2003 11:33									#89
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You guys think I could post a rap about cunnilingus without getting banned? I have a killer line for the labia.

	30-07-2003 11:37									#90
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Mono:

quote: He came through with two fly *****es, Venus and Vicious wit two macs inside the Volvo

-Nas in 1996

quote: Rock solo, I should be old T on the low yo Pump the six and push the volvo

-50 Cent in 1999